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Apple Posts New Videos Comparing FCPX to Adobe & Avid
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A couple of moths ago I was in the position to buy or not a Sony DVW-2000 Digital Betacam VTR we were renting. It cost is $ 50 grands. Talking with my partners we arrived to the conclusion that we was working with less and less tape every month so tape was dying. It was profitable only if we were going to have a lot (really a lot) work depending on that in a year, because then, probably it will be useless.
Well, if you have this kind of tape recorders, the price of the editing software doesn’t matter.
That’s why some people complains the lack of tape I/O of FCPX. They need to maintain their old workflow in order to pay off their equipment.
They had to admit that today is more efficient to carry a hard drive than using tapes. Especially considering the tape based equipment costs. If you are going to buy a expensive tape recorder you better think it twice.
Leo Hans
Editor AVID – Final Cut Pro
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There is one problem in Apple´s approach: they should offer a trial so people would use it before posting here. there are so many misunderstandings that people post here without even knowing what they talk about.
For starters you can recreate a folder and bin structure with folders, subfolders, keywordcollections and smartcollections. Way more powerful than anything you ever saw in FCP7.
Also the fct there are some automatic tools doesn´t mean a) that they are useless, just because you don´t know them and b) that you have to use them. Simply leave them alone and that´s that.
I went back to FCP7 after a month of FCPX for an old project and almost laughed out louds at how BAD it is.
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“And just one thing, why the hell you want to import old finished project ever”
For just one reason … money.
I have clients that sometimes revisit old projects and pay me to revise them. They pay me with money and I do the work, that’s what they mean by the word professional. If I can’t open those files they will find someone else and pay them, not me. That’s called running a business. With FCPX I loose business — but I guess your in this for the glory.
Herb Sevush
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“That’s why some people complains the lack of tape I/O of FCPX. They need to maintain their old workflow in order to pay off their equipment.”
My tape decks were payed off years ago. I need tape IO because PBS still demands it, as do most broadcasters.
Herb Sevush
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Herb,
You can still have FCP7 if you need to open a legacy project in the same manner that having an old betacam, DV, or U-Matic recorder may help you capture old video footage.
Did you blame Sony when U-Matic got outdated in flavor to Betacam SP, and later with DigiBeta? Was Sony fault that you need to have the old recorder and the new one because Betacam SP decks didn’t load U-Matic tapes?
It’s not an Apple problem. It’s the constantly evolving technology.
In a copule of months, or maybe a year from now, used FCS3 licences will be cheap. While some people are going to need it for a long time still, lot of people will be moving to Avid, Premiere and FCPX.
Perhaps loosing the ability to open legacy projects is a necessary tradeoff.
I have no doubts that we are going to have the option to open somehow legacy projects in FCPX, but not in a looseness way. But I choose to look at the future. I like the new timeline, the metadata over the old bin/clips structure and the whole paradigm.
Not all of us needs to open old projects. I don’t, so I don’t need to keep an old Mac with FPC7 for the next 5 years just in case, but if you make money opening legacy project, to keep one of it is an investment, like every other investment you do.
What if because the workflow of FCPX in a near future is really faster to edit a project on FCPX than in Premiere or Avid. Will you tell your client that you need more time to deliver your work because you chosen the old way of doing things that let you open old projects?
I mean, maybe It’s too soon to evaluate which platform is going to be the best in a year or two. None of my clients asked me to stop using FPC7 nor to switch to Avid or Premiere.
Leo Hans
Editor AVID – Final Cut Pro
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[Vladimir Talijan] “And there are other group of people who acts like they are blind and they need a year in FCPX to see just how everything is faster and more efficient, and “they just don’t see how the magnetic timeline is better ?”….Seriously ?!?! 🙂 It’s like those Americans who thought for 50 years that american cars are the best in the world, and now they drive Hondas and Toyotas 🙂 “
You know Vladimir?
In 1996 I went to a Premier demo (Adobe had the decency to wait few years to call it PRO).
When they saw me so sceptic with such a weak creature, they told me: “Wait to see. This is the future of video editing”.
Yes, they were right: 14 years later Premier was a professional option.
My blindness may be just laziness or may come from my 25 years editing with every kind of tool.For my is not about FCPX being better or worst:
Is about impositions, lack of freedom and dirty tricks.
I build my movies in my head and I want to have in with my footage and my time-line the same freedom I have with my ideas.
I don’t need Apple or nobody else telling me now how to develop and organize my things.
How I gonna fallow a bunch of guys that are talking about “events’, Primary time-line’, “Secondary time-line”, and crap like that?
What are they try to show?
Are they inventing a new language for “the editor of the future”?
Is this a new church?[Vladimir Talijan] “Bottom line, if you don’t want to use FCPX, just don’t. If you don’t want to use FCP 7, just don’t, use whetever you like, just stop complaining like you have no choice.
And just one thing, why the hell you want to import old finished project ever ? Again, it’s some small sensor, 1 mile DOF TV crap. You can use AVID for that, and just leave alone anyone who wants something way more efficient than those lego bricks always on a virge of shattering into pieces…”
This is your SECOND post in the COW and you come here to tell people to shut the mouth and stop complaining?
No man you are wrong.
This is a forum to discuss people concerns and to complain on whatever thing people think need to complain about.
If you are so convinced about FCPX, please let other people to have their doubts and express them, and think that what fits for you might not fit for me.
BTW, there is a great “FCPX Techniques Forum” if you haven’t noticed.[alban egger] “There is one problem in Apple´s approach: they should offer a trial so people would use it before posting here. there are so many misunderstandings that people post here without even knowing what they talk about.”
If they did so, is possible this Forum wouldn’t exist.
They had to release FCPX as kind of Alien.
Only if its stuck in the mouth of enough un-aware people, would have a chance to survive.
They got it.
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Rafael,
I wonder why It’s ok to spit to FCPX but not to defend it.Premiere doesn’t got this popular but for the FCPX controversy. It’s not Premiere laurels. It’s the most similar NLE to FPC7 and thus is the easy way to go.
IMHO, Premiere it’s not the future, but a reincarnation of the past.
Time will tell who is wrong about that.
Leo Hans
Editor AVID – Final Cut Pro
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“You can still have FCP7 if you need to open a legacy project.”
The problem is I’m greedy. I want one piece of software that can handle both the old and the new, old projects, old tape formats, plus the ability to handle new formats and tapeless workflows. Apple’s new offering gives me only one way to work, Avid and Adobe offer me both, right now, with multi-cam thrown in.
“Did you blame Sony when U-Matic got outdated in flavor to Betacam SP, and later with DigiBeta? Was Sony fault that you need to have the old recorder and the new one because Betacam SP decks didn’t load U-Matic tapes? ”
Sony didn’t stop supporting U-Matic when BetaCam came out. They not only continued to sell it, they kept improving the features on their U-Matic decks for years after they introduced BetaCam.
“It’s not an Apple problem. It’s the constantly evolving technology.”
Sony did not EOL U-matic on the first day they started selling BetaCam. It is an Apple problem, this is not the standard way of doing business, even in fields of evolving technology.
“What if because the workflow of FCPX in a near future is really faster to edit a project on FCPX than in Premiere or Avid.”
I would switch to FCPX. Like I said, this is business. So far I see no evidence of that happening. FCPX’s chief design benefits seems to be ease of learning for new editors and ease of use with simple projects. I am both old and complicated, so it doesn’t seem to be aimed at me.
Herb Sevush
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“I would switch to FCPX. Like I said, this is business. So far I see no evidence of that happening. FCPX’s chief design benefits seems to be ease of learning for new editors and ease of use with simple projects. I am both old and complicated, so it doesn’t seem to be aimed at me”
That’s the main reason to wait until doing unneeded desperate moves.
PS: Nobody disagree with you about Apple having to stop supporting FCPS3.
Leo Hans
Editor AVID – Final Cut Pro
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Leo, relax!.
IMHO, Premiere it’s not the future, but a reincarnation of the past.
That´s the kind of bold statement I was referring to before.
“Avid is death”.
“Premiere is the past”.
And so on…
No one knows about the future, but really… Why does it have to be in Apple´s hands?.
Guess what?. With the original FCP, we heard thousands of times things like that:
“FCP is the future”.
“Students are using it, so all films will be edited in FCP very soon”.
“It´s the new thing”.
And now, the original FCP does not exists any more.
What you need to understand is, apart from the software itself, is that there is a question of trust in Apple. They have a history in killing applications: DVD Studio, Color, Shake, FC Server…
No one knows what will happen, but you sound a little “over the top”.
Chill out.
Flavio G. Garc
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