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Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate??? why?
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if the title of this forum is causeing you grief, and you feel bad for apple. I think you need less time on the the net and more in the edit bay.
Neil Goodman: Editor of New Media Production – NBC/Universal
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Hey! Since this is the Creative Cow-munity, why not just change “The Future of Editing” to “The Pasture of Editing”, then everyone will be so confused, they won’t have time for the “It’s great…it sucks!” ongoing battle…
Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
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[willy pimentel] “I don’t see any other program titled that way and it shows a very bias negative comnotation about how the cow views the program.”
Willy, the title of the forum simply reflects its history. FCP X is so radically different than the FCP versions that came before it, that the only thing the two programs have in common are the letters “FCP.” Moving from 7 to X is not an upgrade, but is, instead, choosing a different program with the same name. This new program does not do everything that its namesake did, and so many editors were confronted with a decision: where to go?
Around the world, many people are still trying to make this decision. FCP 3-7 was a highly successful platform, and is still heavily used more than a year after X’s introduction. The name of the forum specifically refers to that hotly debated choice, and shouldn’t be taken as a derogatory statement about the software itself.
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“if the title of this forum is causing you grief, and you feel bad for apple. I think you need less time on the the net and more in the edit bay.”
Admittedly I’ve been too busy to follow a lot of these threads fully. But your point would appear to apply to most of the ongoing commentary on this particular forum.
Though I have found some of the threads comparing editing software illuminating… which is perhaps why I feel a more generic name would be more appropriate.
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[Michael Gissing] “Why do those who rarely participate in this forum regularly ask to change the name. It pops up every few months and no-one has yet to give a decent reason why we should change the forum name. “
I think its because they don’t understand the history, and see the name as a referendum on existence of the software, itself. We know that our forum title is a reference to a decision that FCP editors around the world were suddenly forced to make–and, for that matter, are still making–when our software was discontinued in every way but in name. If Apple had simply discontinued FCP, and had given birth to X with any other name, this forum probably would not exist. Its the implication that X is somehow an upgrade or furtherance of FCP Legend that gives added weight to the forum title. Even if you chose/choose to use the NLE that now owns the name “FCP,” you were/are, in fact, using a completely new program. So, do you choose to use this new program, or go with another program. It ain’t an upgrade; its a fork in the road. People who don’t understand that, don’t understand the name.
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It should be Final Cut Pro X . It’s here to stay. I’m done with debating.
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[Paul Jay] “It should be Final Cut Pro X . It’s here to stay”
Guys, you get that there’s an FCPX forum that’s focused on using FCPX rather than talking about it, right? You can find it in THIS LINK, or in the orange nav bar above, right where it’s been for over a year. It’s the second-busiest at the COW, and one of the busiest single forums on any technical topic, anywhere on the web.
And just in case you missed the link in my previous paragraph, or in the orange nav bar at the top of the page, HERE IT IS AGAIN.
[Paul Jay] “And i like Premiere too! Which can be found in the PREMIERE PRO forum.”
Those are the equivalent of the FCPX forum FOUND HERE.
In general, forums go away when nobody posts in them anymore…so being in a forum and posting that it needs to go away isn’t exactly helping. It’s more effective when you contribute to the LACK of posts here….which in fact are not lacking at all, which is why this forum ain’t going anywhere.
And hey, if you’re looking for a forum that talks about using FCPX, the best and biggest on the web is RIGHT HERE.
Tim Wilson
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The Cow can fix the whole issue with a two word deletion.
Just take out “or Not.”
FCP-X: The Debate is perfectly accurate, sorts in the same position in the listings so everyone knows where it is – and it reflects a more neutral tone.
It’s all just semantics.
Consider switching the noun to see the difference:
“Love or Not – the debate” is a different question to me than “Love, the debate” because the first form questions the validity of the whole idea of Love having a place in the discussion – while the latter presumes Love’s existence and focuses on a wider discussion of what it’s all about.
But that’s just my 2 cents.
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[Bill Davis]: “FCP-X: The Debate is perfectly accurate, sorts in the same position in the listings so everyone knows where it is – and it reflects a more neutral tone.”
Except taking out the “or Not” takes out the reference to the other NLEs that are part of the debate. Threads here sometimes have nothing to do with FCPX so it would be once again trying to steer this thread into another FCPX Techniques forum. Again not what this forum has historically been about.
Rather than neutral it seems like a highjack – but nice try Bill.
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[Michael Gissing] “Rather than neutral it seems like a highjack – but nice try Bill.”
LOL
But agreed, Michael. Some of the most valuable discussions here have been very much about the “or not,” involving Premiere and Media Composer of course, but also Sony Vegas on home-built PCs, Pro Tools, hackintoshes, non-product-specific workflows, and much more. Frankly, if the forum was even MOSTLY about FCPX, it’d be kind of dull at this point…but that’s nowhere true.
(Of course, if you want to talk about getting dull, I have to admit that this topic is at the tippy top of my list right now.)
And even though most of the threads are mostly positive at this point, the “whether or not” debate is not only not settled, but changes with every new update for FCPX, Media Composer, Premiere, iMac, you name it.
If anything, the word in the title that should go is FCPX…except that none of the other discussions would be happening at all without it.
Moving on now…please?
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Tim Wilson
Vice President, Editor-in-Chief
Creative COW
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