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Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate??? why?
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[Michael Gissing] “Why do those who rarely participate in this forum regularly ask to change the name. It pops up every few months and no-one has yet to give a decent reason why we should change the forum name.”
I’ve noticed this too. I wonder if it’s people who accidentally click on this forum while trying to get into “Techniques” and get upset over people who dare question FCPX/Apple.
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[Jim Giberti] “To quote Sir Paulie, “Let it be”.”
Of course, he also said “I’m comin’ down fast, but don’t let me break you.”
Sorry, I tried to find something more ridiculous, but my mental roledex of Beatles songs has taught me that most of the silly lyrics were sung by John and Ringo.
Professor, Producer, Editor
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[Tim Wilson] “maybe we should rename it FCPX And The Debates”
Wins for me.
With some, I wonder how much of a debate it really is.
It’s kinda like trying to convince my cat to become a vegan. It’s not going to happen and it’s not right for him. On the other hand it may be healthy for me.You might think it’s the meshugganah program from the demons at Apple. To me it’s the bee’s knees of NLEs.
Is it professional? If my clients pay me it is.
What’s the best feature of FCPX? I get paid for using it!
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[Chris Jacek] “my mental roledex of Beatles songs has taught me that most of the silly lyrics were sung by John and Ringo.”
I’ll remind you of Ob-la-di Ob-la-da and the entirety of Blue Jay Way – plenty of silliness from Paul and George too. 🙂
[willy pimentel] “And there is also another forum that is for techniques .. This is confusing … The name of the forum should be Fcp x.”
This forum is shaped differently than any others in the COW because FCPX evolved differently. It started with the debate!
The COW’s original FCP forum was the most trafficked on the web — and still is! — but FCPX posts were coming in like wildfire during Apple’s presentation at NAB 2011. We formed THIS forum while Apple was still on stage, to keep the signal high in the FCP forum.
In fact, there was only one thread when we flipped the switch on the FCPX or Not: The Debate! It was a long thread mind you, and getting longer fast — and it was obvious that there were going to be a lot more threads in short order. They needed a place where they could be their own signal.
If admittedly sometimes a very noisy signal. LOL But I hadn’t actually thought about that process in a long time. This forum wasn’t invented. It evolved out of the original FCP forum in real time, starting with one very spirited thread.
Once FCPX was available to actually USE, ironically, the “work” of FCPX became its own kind of noise in THIS forum, so we did the same thing as before: lit up a forum for a community that was already underway, but needed its own home for “signal.”
So, renaming this forum is possible, if for now unlikely. The consensus remains that it’s working.
Merging the two FCPX forums: impossible. They formed organically from the conversations among our members as their own communities, to respond to very different needs, each of which is incompatible with the other, and each incredibly valuable.
Tim Wilson
Vice President, Editor-in-Chief
Creative COWTim Wilson
Vice President, Editor-in-Chief
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How about “The Cutting Debates.”
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I feel that everyone just seems to take on my suggestion as a debate. This is the last response as but again, it is not a debate if fcpx is there or not.. That can be very well discussed but my words are about the tittle of the default tittle for the forum’s category name which refers to the one for fcpx .. Once again, for the debate, you have threads which you can debate the different topics as well.
And again, when you go to the forums topics, I don’t see premiere: the debate: it now sucks less on the topics categories of the creative cow organization.Look into https://mobi.creativecow.net/forums/
I don’t see any other program titled that way and it shows a very bias negative comnotation about how the cow views the program. That is sucks, most likely up until 10.06. . But let that be taken place in the treads not make your point of view by showing it on the forums category tittles!!!
Willy Pimentel
Motion Graphics Editor
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I think the bigger question might be why is the Final Cut Pro forum still called final cut pro. It is legitimately dedicated only to versions of Final Cut Pro that are EOL’d and unsupported software. We never called that forum FCP 7, or FCP 6, or FCP 5… so I think it’s time to at least rename the FCP X Techniques forum to Final Cut Pro X and the current Final Cut Pro forum to Final Cut Pro v1-7. At some point the debate forum should probably just merged into the FCP X forum as the traffic dies down.
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The forum was originally started as a special forum to discuss the sneak peeks that were seen early in 2011 before the software was launched and was just called FCP X. It was a place to talk about the possibilities or to bitch and moan. When the software came out, it was so controversial that people still wanted to debate, but they were mixed in with people actually trying to weed through and learn how to use the software, so the techniques forum was created and the X forum was renamed to obviously be the place to debate, which is what it was originally anyway.
So what do you do? It IS a debate forum for FCP X and always has been. I suggest calling the techniqes forum FCP X and the FCP forum FCP 1-7. People often post questions about FCP X on the FCP forum because, well, it’s not specific in any way that it should only be for the EOL’d versions of the software.
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Willy –
The whole topic of the title was based on the content – some said it sucked, some loved it…I get what you’re saying, but in the history of all of the other NLEs, there has never been such a radical, or negatively reacted to, response to a new release. I’ve used AVID, Edit*, and Premiere Pro, and while they all have their strengths and weaknesses, there was never a release in their history in which the users stood up en masse and cried “WTF…?”. It was if the new Toyota Camry came out with the steering wheel in the back seat, and the wheels on the roof (I know the metaphor has been beaten to death).
The title of the forum, as I see it, was spawned from that initial outcry. Maybe, as you say, it’s time to move on, but there’s so much activity on this forum that I think they’d be nuts to change the name. There’s also marketing at play here…
Joe Bourke
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Perhaps “The Future of Editing” would be a better fit for what this forum has evolved into since X’s initial release?
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