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Apple engineers versus an editor’s ability to set persistent in to out points in their footage.
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[Jules bowman] “Perhaps you’re just foolish enough to think the emperor’s new threads are hipster fashion. We are all aware the fool is butt naked Bill, and we giggle at your inability to see it.
“Giggle if you like, but
And let me make this crystal clear so there’s not mis-understanding…
You – do – not – understand – how – to – edit – in X.
Period.
You can absolutely “save” in and out points for any edit. You simply select a range and apply a key word to it.. You do it in the Event Browser. You do it before you start putting clips in the timeline. Doing it this way preserves your in and out points for EVERY edit you’ll ever do with the clip from that point into the future. These are “saved edit points” Period. They’re precise. They are persistent. They are re-usable. You can use these persistent in and out points to do 3 point editing all day long. You can used the IN – and/or you can use the OUT – and you can do a 3 point edit from an IN or an OUT on your primary storyline using either a standard insert or even a back timed insert.
I’m sure you don’t believe me – so here’s a Steve Martin lesson show you how. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miIUfbK09Nw
I’m so tired of people who keep coming here and trying to tell me that I can’t do stuff I do all day long simply because it doesn’t work right in the timeline in EXACTLY the way they are used to it working and they simply can’t break out of their pre-conceptions long enough to look at whether the new way might actually be valuable if they can just stop being so intransigently stuck on how they think the want it to work. (Yeah, yeah, who am I to tell you how to edit – I get it. But the reality is that YOU are the one trying to edit with X and having trouble. I’m not.. And in your frustration, you’re the one coming here in the public square to tell us you “can’t” do something (in this case, “preserve in and out points”) that is pure BS.
If the software keeps in and out points – it keeps in and out points. If you can’t figure out how to make it work for an edit, and I can – it’s on YOU. Not on the software. All that means is that X doesn’t work the way YOU think it should. You see that as the programs failure. I see it as yours.
It works in X the way it works in X.
If you are not adaptable enough to use the software it the way the software is structured, it’s NOT the software’s fault.
It’s your fault.
That my sound harsh and dismissive and even downright rude, but I’m merely matching rude with rude based on your not very subtle attempts to besmirch me as an individual that appear directly above this post.
I think you don’t like X because you just can’t figure out how it actually works – and that’s making you frustrated.
I understand that. After 10 months, I’m still learning it. So I know it’s not easy.
The difference between us is that I know enough about how it works to understand whether or not it actually does something objectively confirmable like “save in and out points” – and you got stuck when you thought it didn’t do it because it simply asks you to do it in a different operating part of the software that will be more powerful as you learn how to work with the new design.
Simple as that.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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So let me get this. I can mark an in point on a clip and drag it to the timeline to see if it works and then I can quickly click on another clip and mark an in point and drag that to the timeline and decide I liked the first one did click back on the first clip because I preferred that and the marked in point I made ten seconds ago is still there for me to drag it to the timeline?
Well that’s great because I thought I would have to create a favourite of that first in point which would then get stored in a favourites section despite it not really being a favourite because I didn’t even know if I liked it when I created it and needed to make it a favourite and then when I wanted to use it instead of just going back to the clip I Had just clicked on I would have to find the favourite I wanted amongst the other favourites that had been collated over the entirety of a long edit with many decisions and choices being tried and mulled over, which would just be stupid compared to the in point simply being still there after I clicked one other clip to have a look.
And who exactly were you making that point crystal clear to? I have posted enough times I stopped trying 10 when the auto save failed to do anything of the sort. Still, doesn’t stop my opinions on it, its paradigm and you being valid mate. Last time I checked I – DID – NOT – KNOW – HOW – TO – BUILD – AN- ATOMIC – BOMB and yet I still think they are stupid, disgusting and those that even consider using one are the lowest form of pond life despite them once being a new paradigm of warfare.
That point not valid Bill?
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[Jules bowman] “So let me get this. I can mark an in point on a clip and drag it to the timeline to see if it works and then I can quickly click on another clip and mark an in point and drag that to the timeline and decide I liked the first one did click back on the first clip because I preferred that and the marked in point I made ten seconds ago is still there for me to drag it to the timeline?”
I’m sure that you won’t to hear this, but this is a perfect case for the use of Auditions.
Jeremy
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I’m sure that you won’t to hear this, but this is a perfect case for the use of Auditions.
Jeremy
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Jeremy – don’t waste your time.
To some people, the fact that first gear is no longer the lower left part of an H pattern simply is too much to wrap their brains around – to them it means first gear is GONE, period.
You can tell them how to shift into it. But they won’t be happy until it’s back where they’ve been conditioned to expect it.
Yeah, this is simplistic. And yeah, the changes in X are much more complex and deep than this. But some folks either can’t or won’t stretch their brains around the new processes or possibilities.
How do you expect them to move to Auditions when they can’t even get past magnetism?
Just isn’t going to happen.
I’ll try once or twice to help them shift their thinking – but after that – I’m afraid I’m just going to go back to working with the people who are open to the reality of the software and who can get past their personal sense of betrayal.
Life’s too short. I’m producing and directing a 16-camera DSLR and GoPro shoot on Saturday – so as much as I enjoy trying to help others, I just don’t have time to waste on those who can’t stretch their thinking enough to understand the basic stuff the rest of us figured out six months ago.
Sigh.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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Just like to add.
I’ve been using FCPX for a while now and I’d always been annoyed by the lack of persistent in/outs. I knew about favourites but didn’t like the idea of using it much. Since reading this discussion I tried using the “F” key when editing and now I’m used to it I can’t imagine not having it!
I particularly like the fact that in filmstrip view marking a range as a favourite leaves a green bar at the top that when clicked on recalls the in/out point.
Steve Connor
“FCPX Professional”
Adrenalin Television
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