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Apple and databases
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[David Lawrence] “Agreed. I think the “fixed lanes” idea is interesting. But I would go further and allow multiple primaries in a “fixed time” window. If they did that, they could keep everything else the same and it would work for me as well as for you.
Fixed Lanes – or ability to assign a kind of Z order to clips – and grouped Roles would pretty much do everything tracks currently do… for me. If you need to add a crossfade and don’t want to use the fade handles you can create secondary’s, as you can now. They’d just stick with their group. In a perfect world, Roles become sort of “invisible” compound clips. In other words all clips for a role would stick together as a group, which could be routed to a mixer or FX send/return if needed. Click a “minimize” button and all the visible clips in the “container” would shrink to single, locked in time (compound) clip, but one which could be expanded *in the timeline* it resides in for further editing if needed.
[David Lawrence] “Is there a way to make all connected clips stay put if you want? Something like Shift-tilde? That would make a big difference for me.”
That would be a good thing. They should have a role based option to enable/disable connection, like snapping, if you want. This would be handy, especially for music that’s all chopped up and thus connected to random “parent” clips. Stuffing it into a CC is a workaround but you have to keep breaking it apart and remaking it to adjust cuts. The imaginary scenario above would also solve that since, once collapsed, the MX role would be locked to time.
Maybe they’ll do it. I’m pretty sure FCPX isn’t done yet. 🙂
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “I’m going to go out on a limb and hazard a guess that we’re all out of our depth here”
Heh… I think it’s a very sturdy limb you’re on. 🙂 I actually just opened an X project database in an SQLite database browser. I don’t know what any of it meant, but it looked cool…
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Charlie,
The link within the link is sort of interesting (comparing Core Data and databases)
https://www.cocoawithlove.com/2010/02/differences-between-core-data-and.html
I also found some discussion on strengths and weaknesses of Core Data (generally positive, though it seemed to have some controversy attached to it circa 2010):
https://bluerope.org/?p=82
https://inessential.com/2010/02/26/on_switching_away_from_core_dataFranz.
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Perhaps if you were just to re-read this section steve.
There is no inherent superiority in FCPX due to is use of Core Data, and indeed I think it contributes to a lot of the sluggishness observed when a project gets complex and necessarily performs a lot more I/O on its SQLite database for each new timeline input.
As pointed out – its the core data model pointing to the SQL database that may be a source of problems – the larger question relative to the verge article is whether Apple have the manpower assigned or basic competence to resolve the issues arising.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[David Lawrence] “Yes, but doesn’t the tilde key modifier only affect the connected clips attached to the primary clip you’re manipulating? Is there a way to make all connected clips stay put if you want? Something like Shift-tilde? That would make a big difference for me.”
How are you manipulating more than one primary clip at a time? Or are you just looking for a “tilde-lock” option?
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[Charlie Austin] “I actually just opened an X project database in an SQLite database browser. I don’t know what any of it meant, but it looked cool…
“Nice idea, I just tried it as well on a big event file, it was like something from “The Matrix”!
Steve Connor
There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum
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two cents in – I bookmarked this one a few months ago too – interesting that the early impression was that they had based it on the FCP server engine. there are implications for project sharing in core data apparently. he also… does say some positive things about core data.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Marcus Moore] “How are you manipulating more than one primary clip at a time? Or are you just looking for a “tilde-lock” option?”
Can’t speak for David, but if you want to do a swap edit, like move a clip 7 shots earlier in a cut, the tilde key will disconnect things from the clip you’re moving, but all the clips connected to the 7 shots that move in the swap move with them. Which, in my case, i didn’t want them to. You can work around it, but it would be nice to temporarily “disconnect all” if you need to.
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I have a giant blog post about Roles as a data structure for organizing the timeline that I’m desperately trying to finish before I head to NAB. I’ve been wanting to get these ideas out for almost 6 months.
But I’m too darn busy cutting in X!
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[Steve Connor] “[Charlie Austin] “I actually just opened an X project database in an SQLite database browser. I don’t know what any of it meant, but it looked cool…
”Nice idea, I just tried it as well on a big event file, it was like something from “The Matrix”!”
That’s what it looks like in a text editor, but in a database viewer it’s all organized and pretty. And indecipherable to me. XML I can read, databases… not so much. My nerd-fu is limited 🙂 Here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/sqlitebrowser/
don’t open anything important! lol
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