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And the lightbulb goes on…
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “even with the apple push (and four engineers working on it), X is probably vegas for OSX at this point. “
I’d say it was probably PPro from a couple of years ago!
Steve Connor
There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum
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[Steve Connor] “I’d say it was probably PPro from a couple of years ago!”
The similarity between X and early PPro is strictly about market penetration, and even there it’s not very strong.
The Vegas comparison, market penetration aside, seems to me more apt.
Like X, Vegas tried a non traditional approach to timeline editing because it stated life as a DAW. It was in some ways superior to most NLEs, especially in audio and EFX, but never caught on because it’s paradigm was so different, although it’s cult of adherents love it. Sound familiar?
Lance should be the one to weigh in on this one, because of his experience with Vegas.
Herb Sevush
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Sorry, but I don’t think that that is a fair or accurate statement…
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[Aindreas Gallagher] ” X is probably vegas for OSX at this point. “
Great line. Do you think Apple will use it at NAB?
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[Herb Sevush] “[Aindreas Gallagher] ” X is probably vegas for OSX at this point. ”
Great line. Do you think Apple will use it at NAB?”
I would argue that FCPX market share is already considerably higher than Vegas has ever been
Steve Connor
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[Steve Connor] “I would argue that FCPX market share is already considerably higher than Vegas has ever been”
Additionally Apple and third party Professional hardware and software video developers are much more motivated to move into various professional arenas. Even if it’s not immediately “there” yet, the forces pushing it in those directions are incredibly strong and sustained.
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[Simon Ubsdell] “X’s total sales to date have surely got to exceed sales of all other NLE’s ever produced combined – times a large factor.
Market share within the conventional film and video industries is a whole other matter, surely?”
One might venture that X is a leading NLE in the “non professional” market. Probably well ahead of Vegas there.
Another would be that while X is still a “curiosity” in the “Pro” markets it may well be a “tire kicked” more often than any other single NEL. Each tire kicker is a potential convert, if not now, later.
Unlike Sony, it would seem Apple is much more highly motivated since FCPX use can be a factor in Mac sales and allegiance.
That Apple spent so much development time on changing the library system vs more glossy features, would seem to indicate they are certainly looking at share use situations.
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[Steve Connor] “I would argue that FCPX market share is already considerably higher than Vegas has ever been”
[Simon Ubsdell] “X’s total sales to date have surely got to exceed sales of all other NLE’s ever produced combined – times a large factor.”
Steve, Simon,
… based on what?
The Dave Dugdale breakdown places it as the most popular NLE of the last decade (in terms of tutorials), and the third most popular tool for users of his site.
“Tutorials online numbers:Sony Vegas pro tutorial 41m
premiere pro tutorial 34m
final cut pro tutorial 17m
Avid Media Composer tutorial 892k
Grass Valley Edius tutorial 35k”https://www.learningdslrvideo.com/nle-market-share-breakdown/
It seems to me that the “bottom-up” revolution in NLEs could well be Vegas.
Franz.
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[Craig Seeman] “Unlike Sony, it would seem Apple is much more highly motivated since FCPX use can be a factor in Mac sales and allegiance.”
Absolutely – Sony’s inability to market many of their potentially world-beating products is now the stuff of legend.
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[Andrew Kimery] “I’ve never used FCP Legend on as large a scale as I have Avid so I can’t make ‘7 to X’ workflow guesstimate. To be honest, even on the smaller scale that I used it on (12 editors, 60TB Xsan, mostly a mix of daily web content and a weekly cable news magazine show) it was such a PITA that I’d never choose to use on bigger projects like I mentioned previously. Obviously people like Mark Raudonis and his team (as well as others) figured out how to use FCP Legend effectively in large scale facilities and my hat’s off to them.”
That’s kind of what I was getting at and glad you backed it up. While FCP was super flexible in XML and relink workflows, it really was no where near what Avid can offer.
FCPX at least stand a better chance, but it certainly needs a bit more work. If Events could be read only, it would go a long way to compete.
[Andrew Kimery] “I was giddy as a school girl being back in Avid’s multi-editor environment. Sure Avid still treats stills as video, the FX mode is horribly antiquated and resolution & frame rate are set at the project level (WTF Avid, it’s 2014!) but there’s nothing I’d rather use currently than Avid + ISIS if I’m doing something like a big reality show (ScriptSync is also ridiculously useful).”
Avid, at it’s very heart, is an offline system, and besides what used to be M100, probably has the best offline/online workflow (AMA aside).
[Andrew Kimery] “In the next day or so I’m going to write up my basic big project, Avid multi-user workflow and spin this discussion off into it’s own thread to see how you guys would try and use X to tackle a similar scenario. My initial assumption is to agree with Steve Connor that X has a long way to go in this regard but I’d still like to get an idea of where X is at.”
Thanks so much for chiming in. It’s always good to heat however people are using anything successfully and why.
We are not large scale by any means, but 10.1 is very very close, even though I don’t like some of the organizational changes within it.
Jeremy
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