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And the lightbulb goes on…
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Since we can now lock the secondary clips in time with tilde,”
And with the magical tilde-shift-release chord, you can turn off connections without the need to hold the key down, and edit away just like the olden days. 😉 Until you press tilde again to “re-connect”.
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[Charlie Austin] “And with the magical tilde-shift-release chord, you can turn off connections without the need to hold the key down, and edit away just like the olden days. 😉 Until you press tilde again to “re-connect”.”
I’m absolutely not saying that there aren’t lots of exciting ways to edit with connected clips. I love connected clips as much the next guy.
What I’m saying is that you can’t establish a connection between a cluster of connected clips other than how they relate to a singular clip on the primary.
Often one creates a really nice cluster of audio that doesn’t necessarily tie to a single point in the timeline – this is especially true if you are sound designing something around a music track.
Yes, you could put the music track or some other defining element in the primary and have it lock to that, but that’s not necessarily as flexible as you might like.
I’m not talking hypotheticals – this is stuff that I find that it would be nice to be able to do when I’m editing since so much of what I do is driven by sound design. Perhaps rather more than is typical, which is why it probably sounds as though I’m talking nonsense.
Of course, I can make it work in any number of different ways and none of it really makes a huge difference. But it is a form of limitation.
Rather than an unalloyed magnificence.
No NLE is perfect, even this one. All of life is a compromise of some sort – it would be so dull if it weren’t.
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[Simon Ubsdell] “I’m not talking hypotheticals – this is stuff that I find that it would be nice to be able to do when I’m editing since so much of what I do is driven by sound design. Perhaps rather more than is typical, which is why it probably sounds as though I’m talking nonsense.
Of course, I can make it work in any number of different ways and none of it really makes a huge difference. But it is a form of limitation.
Rather than an unalloyed magnificence.”
Not magnificant!? How dare you! lol I’m in complete agreement with you by the way. And I think it’s likely we do the same sort of insane “piles of sound linked to arbitrary bits of other sound or video” type of editing. If we could choose to connect things to a secondary storyline or the Primary I’d be happy. Music in a secondary with the ability to connect things to that rather than the primary would be very nice.
Interestingly, the “music track” thingy in iMovie is basically an invisible secondary connected to the first frame of the timeline. Dunno what it means, but if iMovie is the stalking horse…
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[Charlie Austin] “Music in a secondary with the ability to connect things to that rather than the primary would be very nice. “
You see, I’m not crazy – there is someone who understands what I’m talking about 😉
Yes, something like that would be very nice indeed.
What would be even nicer is the ability to layer in the secondary storyline which would make some music editing a lot neater. Secondaries are perfect for music – but oftentimes a crossfade just won’t cut it.
[Charlie Austin] “if iMovie is the stalking horse…”
iMovie has always been the stalking horse – it’s just it’s taken all this time for people to come around to the notion.
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[Simon Ubsdell] “What would be even nicer is the ability to layer in the secondary storyline which would make some music editing a lot neater. Secondaries are perfect for music – but oftentimes a crossfade just won’t cut it.”
You can kinda sorta do that now by expanding the audio (or components) on adjacent clips and dragging handles out. Works great for A/B cuts… throw C into the mix though and it requires piling another storyline on.
Better, and I’ve suggested this, would be the ability to expand a compound clip in place, or something like that. Or invisible compound clips, similar to the iMovie music secondary “track” but with ability to add additional lanes.
Despite the fact that it’s sort of limited now, if you let your imagination run wild a bit, the possibilities of ridiculously cool ways to enhance secondaries, compound clips, audio components etc. are kind of mind boggling. For now… workaround city… 😉
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This really is just like we were talking about 2 years ago.
“in-line” Compound clip expansion, or multi-layered secondaries.
[Charlie Austin] “Or “invisible” compound clips, similar to the iMovie music secondary “track” but with ability to add additional “lanes”.”
The iMovie track was shown in a really early version of Larry Jordan training for FCPX. It was later ammended as the track isn’t in FCPX. I thin it might have even been called a “Soundtrack”.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “This really is just like we were talking about 2 years ago.”
Yep. Hopefully Apple is happy with the foundation now, and can start exploring the possibilities of some of this fancy new stuff. 🙂
[Jeremy Garchow] “The iMovie track was shown in a really early version of Larry Jordan training for FCPX. It was later ammended as the track isn’t in FCPX. I thin it might have even been called a “Soundtrack”.”
It really is just a secondary pinned to the first frame of the timeline, so we do still have it, we just have to make them as needed. Now, inline collapsible CC’s… that would be fun. 🙂
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[Jeremy Garchow] “This really is just like we were talking about 2 years ago.
“in-line” Compound clip expansion, or multi-layered secondaries.”
Are we any nearer it happening?
Just because we can imagine really cool ways of improving this, it doesn’t necessarily mean that Apple are going to implement them. Or that they are even possible to implement given the fundamental architecture.
Would be great if they actually listened to us about the design of this thing but I’m not entirely convinced that that’s the way they do things.
Still, I’m on the hoping team too,
Although if in-line compound clip expansion if the solution I’m not sure I’m that keen. Way too cumbersome for me, I’m afraid.
Simon Ubsdell
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