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And speaking of things I don’t fully understand,,,
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It’s not a question of tools. In many instances I need to have audio and video completely unconnected and to be able to manipulate them in the timeline at will in any way I choose. I don’t see how that happens in the present magnetic timeline in a multicam situation. They are many times I do not want -no, can’t have – a clip to relate to another clip in any way.
bigpine
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[Bill Davis] “FCP-X is constructed around a relational database that’s purpose driven to locate, extract, manipulate and display digital data related to video editing in a very flexible fashion.
So to enable EVERYTHING you’re asking for is simply a matter of code calls and interface construction choices.”
I agree that the relational database nature of FCPX makes it ideal for developing a world class multi-cam editor. That is why I am sticking around, waiting to see what they come up with. But there is nothing “simple” about it, as the devil, as always, is in the details. And the single viewer nature of X, along with it’s inability to display source timecode in the timeline are both design hurdles to overcome. Seeing how or whether they choose to overcome them will tell me a lot about Apple’s future intentions for X.
Herb Sevush
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[TImothy Auld] “They are many times I do not want -no, can’t have – a clip to relate to another clip in any way.”
Put it in the primary. Connect what you need to a gap is another way. Yes, it’s different than FCP7.
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We were talking about multicam here and even if I put it in the primary the audio and the video are still linked, are they not?
bigpine
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Also that is what I would call a workaround and we all know the root of that word.
bigpine
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[TImothy Auld] “Also that is what I would call a workaround and we all know the root of that word.
“Please, don’t leave me to ponder this one all day Timothy. Explain the root part for me please.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
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[TImothy Auld] “Which is why I cannot wrap my mind around multicam working in any viable way with an inflexible, undisableable (that may the first instance of that particular word in the English language) magnetic timeline.”
First of all, it’s not the magnetic timeline that is the root of your issue. The fact that the timeline defaults to keeping clips together has nothing to do with what you’ve stated as your issues. What does seem to be the problem, is the way that FCPX embeds audio with video clips when captured or injested.
[TImothy Auld] “I do not understand how I can have say six angles all with different audio (as in coming from different mics) and designate one of those angles to supply the audio for all of those angles. Until it becomes necessary to use one of the other audio angles on a given clip or clips.”
If I were to speculate for a moment:
Imagine a multiclip as similar to a compound clip in which all the video angles are layered atop one another, and all the audio is as well. Then perhaps the audio for each angle takes on a Role as the audio for that angle. Which then via shortcut or menu item can be swapped and traded between video angles.
[TImothy Auld] “Or how, if audio and video are connected to one another, I would grab a sound effect from a completely different multiclip that is forty-five minutes down the timeline and move it back those forty-five minutes for use with another multiclip.”
This can be done already by simply selecting the area where the sound is and inserting the audio only (OPT+3) in the timeline. If the audio in a multiclip is defined by roles or by angle, I don’t see it as too difficult to choose which audio you want.
[TImothy Auld] “Or how I would use the video only from one multiclip over the audio only of another unrelated multiclip.”
Again, this can be done with the video only, audio only selections. However, I agree that it is imperative that each angle’s audio be discretely available in the multiclip.
Your difficulty in seeing how this works with FCPX’s paradigm isn’t unique. You’ve probably hit upon the reason that multicam wasn’t an initial feature in FCPX’s release.
Andy
https://www.timesavertutorials.com
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OK. I have allowed you to speculate including your speculation that all problems stem from my difficulty in seeing how this would work and not any problem inherent in the present system.
bigpine
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It is, of course, “around” as in “I am going around in circles here.”
bigpine
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[TImothy Auld] “It is, of course, “around” as in “I am going around in circles here.””
Agreed! It’s quite dizzying around here.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/Podcast-Series-2-MikeParfitandSuzanneChisholm/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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