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An NLE change from FCP poll results
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[Chris Kenny] “[Aindreas Gallagher] “Also, given it sits currently in the production suite – PPro is, in very many cases, free at the point of delivery.”
True for people who are already in the industry and already own $1500+ software packages (or already paying $50/month, I suppose). Not so much for folks just entering the field, and capturing those folks is critical for long-term success.”
$19.99 a month seems very attractive.
https://www.adobe.com/education/products/creativecloud.html?promoid=ITKJK&showEduReq=no
Let’s not overlook the fact that Adobe has 30 day free trials of it’s software and all of their creative applications are cross platform. For many of the people you’re describing, FCPX isn’t even an option because it’s only available on Apple hardware.
Shawn
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[Chris Kenny] “It doesn’t particularly seem to me that the median user requires any plug-ins.”
thats a weird answer – flat out.
[Chris Kenny] “True for people who are already in the industry and already own $1500+ software packages (or already paying $50/month, I suppose). Not so much for folks just entering the field, and capturing those folks is critical for long-term success.”
yes, thats fifty bucks a month, Chris.
For the full Adobe Suite. It *boasts* a skills transferable timeline.
As opposed to – wait – tilde key FCPX negation red stop – I don’t want a secondary storyline delete off the primary total joke that no one ever took seriously anywhere paradigm.The timeline. is. a. joke.
[Chris Kenny] “You can achieve something not too different in FCP X’s trim tool using the ‘extend edit’ (shift-x) command, plus you also have the option of skimming the clips on both sides of the edit (and just clicking to trim). The trim tool, like that tool, can also be quickly advanced from one edit point to the next using up/down arrows.”
no. not equivalent.
[Chris Kenny] “FCP X just prefers keyframing on the canvas for things like transforming. I’m not sure this is ‘improper’ so much as merely different — and a lot more sensible, objectively. Why adjust one-dimmentional keyframes to control 2D movement? Or were you talking about some other issue?
“no. It’s an idiotic keyframing system. It is hard to take you seriously.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “no. It’s an idiotic keyframing system. It is hard to take you seriously.”
You’re writing topic sentences and not supporting them. It is hard to take you seriously.
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[Shawn Miller] “$19.99 a month seems very attractive.”
If you qualify. Still ends up being more money in the long run. And while FCP X doesn’t have an individual educational discount, it is $150 with volume purchasing.
[Shawn Miller] “Let’s not overlook the fact that Adobe has 30 day free trials of it’s software and all of their creative applications are cross platform. For many of the people you’re describing, FCPX isn’t even an option because it’s only available on Apple hardware.”
Macs are more popular now, particularly with e.g. college students, than they were when classic FCP was on the way up, so I don’t really see this as a major barrier.
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If the P-pro trim tools anything like Avid’s, FCPX’s is absolutely not equivalent. There is nothing close to dynamic trimming and Extend Edit only share name with what it means in Avid. The magnetic timeline makes an equivalent impossible because the Timeline indicator does not respond to track levels (since there aren’t any tracks). This why you have to click on an edit point, set the position of the Timeline indicator, then hit shift X to do extend edit. Avid style extend means wherever the timeline indicator is you hit one command and the edit rolls there. Its a HUGE difference.
I can’t believe that anyone who would compare dynamic/rock n roll trimming to trimming in X has actually used either of the former.
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[David Powell] “I can’t believe that anyone who would compare dynamic/rock n roll trimming to trimming in X has actually used either of the former.”
I’m not an Avid editor, really. My experience with it is more with workflow than creative editing. If I understand what you’re describing, you’re saying there’s a command that lets you move an edit point to the playhead location without selecting which edit point to move? And it just… what, moves the closest one? I guess that’s handy. But it doesn’t sound like the Premiere feature in question, and I’m not sure why it wouldn’t in principle work, with a bit of tweaking, on a magnetic timeline.
It’s also worth noting you don’t have to click anything to select one side or the other of an edit point in FCP X. Park the playhead on the edit point, and hit [ or ]. Once one or the other is selected, you can switch between them with these keys without returning the playhead to the edit point.
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I wasn’t meaning to argue wich method is superior, I was just pointing out that there is no equivalent. An Avid extend pulls the edit point to the playhead without having to select the edit point. And of course you can do it on whichever track you are patched to. The reason it won’t work on X is that there is no way to control which layer is responding to the playhead. Also you are restricted to the primary storyline for roll edits (unless I am mistaken please correct me).
As for rock n roll (I’m guessing thats PP’s dynamic trimming?) there is also no equivalent. FCP 7 had a lousy version of dynamic trimming that noone ever used. In Avid and Premiere 6 you can trim the edit with JKL. Also in Avid (not sure in Premiere) one stroke selects the edit and trim mode. In X you must go next edit to get to the proper spot and then enter trim mode with [].
Again, not saying one is better than the other, though I clearly have my preference. Just pointing out that they are not equivalent.
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Ahh, so the winner gets a system they can use FCPX on.
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[Chris Kenny] “[David Powell] “I can’t believe that anyone who would compare dynamic/rock n roll trimming to trimming in X has actually used either of the former.”
I’m not an Avid editor, really. My experience with it is more with workflow than creative editing. If I understand what you’re describing, you’re saying there’s a command that lets you move an edit point to the playhead location without selecting which edit point to move? And it just… what, moves the closest one? I guess that’s handy. But it doesn’t sound like the Premiere feature in question, and I’m not sure why it wouldn’t in principle work, with a bit of tweaking, on a magnetic timeline.
It’s also worth noting you don’t have to click anything to select one side or the other of an edit point in FCP X. Park the playhead on the edit point, and hit [ or ]. Once one or the other is selected, you can switch between them with these keys without returning the playhead to the edit point.”
Trimming in X is one of its worst features, not like it was any good really in FCP 7 but thats one area they didnt improve on at all with X and i believe theyve backed themselves into a corner with the trackless timeline. I havent gotten a chance to get into PPRO 6 yet but if they copied Avids trim mode than all the better because it really is an elegant solution and you cant really argue its value. You can get in, make complicated trims across different tracks, slip, slide, and extend on stacks of video/audio and never have to touch the mouse.
Neil Goodman: Editor of New Media Production – NBC/Universal
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[Chris Kenny] “[Shawn Miller] “$19.99 a month seems very attractive.”
If you qualify. Still ends up being more money in the long run. And while FCP X doesn’t have an individual educational discount, it is $150 with volume purchasing.”
I think it’s hard to make a value argument against the Creative Cloud subscription in favor of FCPX. The CCS is more expensive over the long run, but it’s also a LOT more powerful.
[Chris Kenny] “[Shawn Miller] “Let’s not overlook the fact that Adobe has 30 day free trials of it’s software and all of their creative applications are cross platform. For many of the people you’re describing, FCPX isn’t even an option because it’s only available on Apple hardware.”
Macs are more popular now, particularly with e.g. college students, than they were when classic FCP was on the way up, so I don’t really see this as a major barrier.”
Sure, Macs are more popular than they were before… that doesn’t change my point. Adobe is interested in creative professionals, PC and Mac users alike. You said that it was important to capture folks just entering the field… I agree. I think Adobe’s platform agnosticism and diverse product/capability offerings puts them in a better position to do that.
Shawn
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