-
“Adobexit”, switching from PPro to FCPX
-
[Robin S. Kurz] “Say what you will about FCP’s supposed “lacking” feature-set (whatever someone thinks that could be), but what it does it does well and at least in my case very solidly. Can’t personally think of any bug worth mentioning that has survived more than maybe two updates.
“Exactly, Robin.
Here’s a question to debate: If Premiere was a standalone product in the market (not attached to Adobe and the other products at all), where do you feel it would rank in the NLE world? I ask that because I hear so many people saying they use Premiere because of the (kinda good) links with AE and PS. What if it wasn’t?
Have at it, folks! 😉
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter -
[Robin S. Kurz] “[andy patterson] “Your own work and data? You don’t have to use the storage options of the CC service. ”
Do tell: how many CC PPro and AE projects do you have access to once you opt out of the ol’ subscription to maybe switch elsewhere or figure having already paid thou$and$ to date is enough? How about InDesign, or maybe Lightroom? Hmmmm…”
You are not loosing your work and data unless it is on the cloud. You would no longer have access to the software if you opt out of CC. That is different than loosing your work and data. Anyone still on the cloud can finish your work because your work and data are not lost as you claim.
[Robin S. Kurz] ”
[andy patterson] “Having said that even if they had the CS 12.5 Master Collection on DVD for $299.99 and only $49.99 for the upgrades (DVDs) you still wouldn’t buy it ”Right. Never mind that I bought every iteration of the CS there ever was. ???? You know me so well. Clearly.”
Can you take a photo with all the CS versions? Even if you did have every version of CS it would not mean you like it today. I don’t doubt you liked After Effects and Photoshop but you probably liked to take digs at Premiere even if you did have the CS Suite. See my point?
[Robin S. Kurz] “[andy patterson] “because you hate Adobe and I can prove it. ”
Huh?? What the… ????
Oh, but please, do. Can’t wait.[andy patterson] “There was no activation prior to CC.”
LOL… right. Silly me. I was just imagining things.
https://adobe.ly/2j7jq8A
https://adobe.ly/2j7l61T
Don’t click those. They’re clearly fake Adobe pages. You’re of course right. I’m just making it up because I so totally hate Adobe. Damn. You got me. ????[andy patterson] “I could talk out my arse”
I’m sorry…could?
Thanks for the expert insight. Keep it up. ????????
– RK”
I think you Googled that link. Am I correct? Perhaps you should have read it. The link above is talking about an invalid product code key glitch for Acrobat and Audition. Premiere Pro was not affected and Audition was not part of the Production Premium or Master Collection at that time. I did not know as a video editor you relied on Acrobat and Audition that much. Unless you bought Audition or Acrobat how would you have disappearing “activations” at the worst possible times as you claim? Having said that it was a one shot over the phone fix.
[Robin S. Kurz] “Even when I had a legitimate license for CS6 and before, I still only ever used a hacked version after being ****ed over by disappearing “activations” at the worst possible times and needing hours if not days of getting it figured out and back to work.”
Think link above is for CC. Yes there have been problems with the CC activation. I never said otherwise but your claim about disappearing activations prior to CS 6 is pure BS. Having said that people who use the CC would say the activation works pretty damn good and would not be a valid reason for leaving the CC. You posting links trying to make things worse than than they are helps prove my point about you talking BS.
As I stated there is no activation for CS 4 and CS 5.5 only a product code key. I could do a video if you like : )
Having said that what you are doing with the first link is looking at a minor glitch then trying to claim it as the norm for Adobe users.
I actually watched a video a few months ago where a guy had problems installing FCPX. He stated people in the FCPX forums were mean to him. Perhaps they were. I wish I had saved the video. Are you going to start bad mouth FCPX because a few people are experiencing problems? Having said that look at all the problems with FCPX and the Mac Book Pro. I myself think it is a glitch and not the norm for FCPX.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni-n-Q49iGg
Some contents or functionalities here are not available due to your cookie preferences!This happens because the functionality/content marked as “Google Youtube” uses cookies that you choosed to keep disabled. In order to view this content or use this functionality, please enable cookies: click here to open your cookie preferences.
-
[Scott Witthaus] “If Premiere was a standalone product in the market (not attached to Adobe and the other products at all), where do you feel it would rank in the NLE world?”
I’d say, for me, right behind Final Cut Pro X. Most definitely way ahead of Avid. Resolve is pretty damn close though, but really only because of the whole FREE thing, it’s biggest feature after being a superb color app, not NLE. The only other two I have ever had to deal with. But then I haven’t had any in-production experience with Avid in about eight years. But the leap that it would have had to have made since then would have to be astronomical to move up the list at all, and I know it hasn’t. My use of PPro has been sporadic the last few years, but enough that I’m confidant I’m more than able to judge how it does in comparison. Again, for me. But then ANY track-based NLE has become a complete no-go, so ultimately…
[Scott Witthaus] “I ask that because I hear so many people saying they use Premiere because of the (kinda good) links with AE and PS.”
Guess how much those people actually know of any other alternatives?
Ironically, I miss the integration with Illustrator much more than the other two, seeing that it’s practically non-existent for FCP and M5 at the moment. Also because the PS integration with FCP and Motion is perfectly sufficient for me and what I do. And Motion’s integration with FCP X is factually much deeper and tighter than that between PPro and AE. Yes, factually. Unfortunately no one is ever able to see past the “send to/open from the timeline” thing (which of course you can do, too, with XSendMotion if need be), as if that were as relevant as they like to make it. Of course if that’s in fact where the integration ends for you, that can be pretty damn important, yeah. Surprise. Then they’ll tout “Dynamic Link!”, which, as anyone that has actually ever used it knows perfectly well, rarely has anything “Dynamic” about it, sorry. Hence the addition of “Render and Replace”? Gee. Wonder why. Wait, what happened to “Dynamic“?? ????
Want true “Dynamic”? Take a look at Motion files in a Final Cut Pro X timeline. How many colors can you change of your AE project from within PPro for example? Replace content? Exchange the entire layout, animation, individual layers etc. etc. without having to re-open it in AE? Create custom video transitions for PPro? Create custom effect filters? How bout generators? Have immediate access to your AE file or files in PPro by doing nothing but hitting ⌘S and don’t have to go through some import dialog dance because you forgot where you put it? Have that file available for any and every project after that, neatly tucked away in its own category or even theme, without having to even think about it?
Exactly.
For me, that’s integration. YMMV. ????
– RK
p.s. And please, I am NOT saying Motion is better than AE, is a replacement or whatever yadda yadda yadda. That wasn’t the question. And no, it isn’t. For some things. ???? And especially not if your NLE is PPro or motion graphics are your main source of income. Duh.
____________________________________________________
Deutsch? Hier gibt es ein umfassendes FCP X Training für dich! -
[andy patterson] ” If Premiere Pro what features are missing in Premiere Pro’s titling tool from FCPX titling tool? “
I don’t know if I would say things are “missing”, I just prefer working with titles within the canvas instead of the title tool opening up in a separate window. I also like how you can hover over a motion title and see how that will look directly in the canvas. This is all just personal taste. Pr is very capable of handling titles.
[andy patterson] “The price of FCPX prior to plugins $299.99. After plugins $960.00.
“That of course is if a person wanted to spend that much. That’s a personal choice. I have some plugins and I’m pretty sure I didn’t spend that much money, and even if I did it would be a one-off.
-
[andy patterson] “I also don’t want plugins.”
Of course not. PPro is perfect as is.
[andy patterson] The price of FCPX prior to plugins $299.99. After plugins $960.00.”
You of course wouldn’t care to break that down, right? You know, the whole “arse” thing and all?
– RK
-
[andy patterson] The price of FCPX prior to plugins $299.99. After plugins $960.00.”
We’ll also conveniently ignore that PPro CC by itself would have cost you $880 (so in 5 months you’ll have paid even more and with every additional month… you do the math) and for CC in general $2200 to date… again, only going UP.
Final Cut Pro X, Motion and Compressor together to date? Roughly $5.80 a month. Oh right… and going DOWN with each additional month.
Oops.
So what was your point again? I forget.
– RK
-
[Scott Smith] “You can send your final edit to a client after hours when the transcode is finished and you aren’t even there. It is a great feature.”
While a nice thought, it’s pretty dangerous. Renders aren’t always corruption-free.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com -
[Guille Ibanez] “If these very obvious bugs live within the software for several versions and all you see is new social panels then I do mind it. That’s my main critique
“Understandable, though it’s a bit of a hyperbolic statement. No piece of software will be bug free and, Adobe, like all software companies with more than one or two employees, works on multiple new features and bug fixes concurrently. For example, besides the new social panel (which is still in an invite only beta) the 2017 update had improved captioning/subtitling, team projects (also still beta AFAIK), improved support for Apple’s Metal, new audio filters, better integration between PPro and AE, improvements to the Lumetri tool, etc.,. A few days ago they also dropped an update with a lot of bug fixes.
I haven’t upgraded to 2017 yet (and I’m on Mac, not Windows) so I can’t say if the problems you experienced still exist or not.
I’ve been using PPro as my primary NLE since 2013/2014 (a mix of Avid and FCP before that) and in my experience it hasn’t been buggy. Are there bugs? Of course, but I obviously haven’t hit the point where I’ve gone, “That’s it, I hate this program. I’m out.” I guess I’ve been lucky in that the really annoying bugs I’ve come across have always been fixed within an update or two.
[Scott Witthaus] “However, for Premiere users (albeit it very infrequently in my case) having a new social panel with two-way data flow show up while old bugs still exist and new bugs show up is very frustrating, to the point of the OP leaving the software to move to another platform.
“So out of all the new features in CC 2017 it was definitely the work on the social media panel that meant not enough bugs could be addressed? ????
Everyone complains when they feel like their specific needs aren’t being met but off-the-shelf solutions are always going to have things that one person finds amazing and the next person in line finds useless (and of course that person will always comment about all the time ‘wasted’ on a feature just because it’s not relevant to their specific workflow). Why not say Adobe should’ve spent less time on improving support for Apple’s Metal (which obviously only benefits Mac users) instead of focusing on bugs that appear in both the Mac and PC versions? Or less time working on the Team Projects since (I assume) most people don’t work in the collaborate, team-based environment that Team Projects is designed for?
[Scott Witthaus] “Here’s a question to debate: If Premiere was a standalone product in the market (not attached to Adobe and the other products at all), where do you feel it would rank in the NLE world?”
Everyone’s workflow is different but at least in my neck of the woods I don’t think it would change a thing. If PPro wasn’t a capable NLE to begin with then I don’t think the integration would matter (outside of maybe some very specific workflows where you don’t need a capable NLE).
To continue the thought process, how would you rank FCP X w/o Motion or Compressor? How about X, MC, PPro and Resolve as completely stand alone, isolated applications (no plugins, no linking with other piece of software, etc.)?
-
[Andrew Kimery] “To continue the thought process, how would you rank FCP X w/o Motion or Compressor?”
That’s an easy one. ????
Even without Motion, any and every Final Cut Pro X user can partake in the massive (more often than not FREE) ecosystem of filters, titles, templates etc. etc. etc. that exist. All of which they can use and customize within FCP. Again, without Motion let alone Compressor. One of the top reasons that FCP X outranks PPro as an NLE for a much wider range of editors IMO, not to mention for me. ????
What does PPro have to offer in that respect? Resolve or Avid? Honest question. I don’t know of anything.
Sure, you might now argue that all that wouldn’t be possible without Motion. But again: integration. I’m not the one that made it that way i.e. came up with the brilliant idea not to make Motion just a cheap, loosely bolted-on sidecar app, but a truly integral part of FCP. Without Motion you wouldn’t have a single effect, title or transition in FCP, so yeah, that would suck to say the least. But that’s hardly a legitimate argument.
But if you wanted to stick to that premise anyway, then even iMovie would kick FCP’s backend many times over. Go figure. Competition over.
In other words, you CAN’T take Motion out of the equation entirely one way or the other. But you sure can take AE out of PPro’s equation and next to NOTHING would change. So I’d say it’s an impossible comparison.
– RK
-
[Andrew Kimery] ” improved support for Apple’s Metal”
I agree with everything you posted, except that the using Metal currently doesn’t work at all right now. It was broken with the latest OS and/or CC update. I have confirmed with Adobe that this is a driver issue, which is currently being worked on between Apple and Adobe.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com
Reply to this Discussion! Login or Sign Up