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7 after X – an emotional toll?
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“It seems obvious by now that people using FCPX for paid jobs
are using it as a tool for cutting small DSLR projects onto their laptops.”I don’t do anything on a laptop except write and present. In my firm, FCPX is sitting on big systems in studios with state of the art gear.
It would be good to have a substantive, factual conversation with some of the new users regarding their experiences without the generalizations.
Now I don’t think there are “reconnect walls” if you understand the new file concept. And I don’t know of any actual “undo walls”.
That said, I fully anticipate the same type of early adopter issues that I’ve encountered over the years moving our company into new technology.
So far, so good though and mostly I think my experience is similar to the original post.
peace.
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“With FCPX is the opposite. I feel lost.
I feel that my 25 years editing are not just of no help, but even a burden.
Is like starting from zero.
Needing a teacher get the basic concept of an NLE makes me really down”Not to disagree with you Rafael but to offer a counter point of view:
I too have over 25 years experience editing on virtually every serious system in both video and audio going back to the first transitions from analogue to digital.
The point of my post agreeing with Bill’s is how surprised I was at how quickly I transitioned to X given the different paradigm.
There is no question that my FCP experience made the transition fast. It really doesn’t change the essential concepts of editing.
Perhaps it’s because I’m used to adjusting my thinking and command routines as I bounce between FCP, PS, Motion, Digital Performer etc everyday. But honestly – cutting nice work in 48 hours and being impressed with the speed and ease of use was something I wasn’t anticipating after reading so much negativity.
That’s been my experience so far.
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[Jim Giberti] “I don’t do anything on a laptop except write and present. In my firm, FCPX is sitting on big systems in studios with state of the art gear.”
You might want to rethink that as people ARE using it on laptops for the sake of testing the damn thing – witch is a V1 software, but I’m not sure if you care about that.
Why put in the desktop if it is not talking to the card? You’re blind right there, aren’t you?[Jim Giberti] “It would be good to have a substantive, factual conversation with some of the new users regarding their experiences without the generalizations.”
I agree. Especially If only we could see those actual projects and workflows wonders that FCPX is always touting. That alone would make those generalizations vanish immediately.[Jim Giberti] “Now I don’t think there are “reconnect walls” if you understand the new file concept. And I don’t know of any actual “undo walls””
Ah, “reconnect walls”, yes. Indeed, there are big thick walls in FCPX regarding “reconnect media”.FCPX can’t be set up to reconnect media – as it did before.
It is a feature request, by many here, but maybe not that important for you, or the “new file concept”
but for some, yes. It should work as it did before.
And there’s also a problem that offlines FCPX media when simply opened in Adobe’s AFX.You’ll hit the “undo walls” when the “undo” stops working, then FCPX stops saving your project. You might pay attention to that. Not sure if loosing hours of work could be good in a sense, but who knows?
Search “auto-save not saving” or “undo not working” and “how to reconnect in FCPX”.
You will find them. There are plenty of reported problems on this matter. I am sure you didn’t had the time to learn them. And if you are using it for paying jobs, that’s not something that will help you accomplishing that. -
“You might want to rethink that as people ARE using it on laptops for the sake of testing the damn thing – witch is a V1 software, but I’m not sure if you care about that.
Why put in the desktop if it is not talking to the card? You’re blind right there, aren’t you?”No I’m not blind to anything. I understand that you have strong opinions about why you don’t like the program. I’m offering my real world experience as a pretty accomplished pro using it for a couple of days. I have no other motives for what I write, my experience is what it is.
“I agree. Especially If only we could see those actual projects and workflows wonders that FCPX is always touting. That alone would make those generalizations vanish immediately. ”
Even if I could show you my client work in progress, I don’t have the time or desire to pull that together. This is an opinion forum. You can either accept my experience or not. I’m not asking you to show me physical evidence to back up your generalizations.
“Ah, “reconnect walls”, yes. Indeed, there are big thick walls in FCPX regarding “reconnect media”.
FCPX can’t be set up to reconnect media – as it did before.
It is a feature request, by many here, but maybe not that important for you, or the “new file concept”
but for some, yes. It should work as it did before.
And there’s also a problem that offlines FCPX media when simply opened in Adobe’s AFX.”I’ve got 11 years experience with FCP, I understand the differences fully. Because I understand the new program, I don’t hit any reconnect walls. You might see it differently if you understood the new approach. How much experience do you have with X?
“”You’ll hit the “undo walls” when the “undo” stops working, then FCPX stops saving your project. You might pay attention to that. Not sure if loosing hours of work could be good in a sense, but who knows?””
“And you’ll hit the same wall if something doesn’t work for you. Do you have some evidence, other than some posts on the internet regarding 1.0 that undo doesn’t work?
And if you’re not sure that losing hours of work is a bad thing, I can help you with that conundrum.“Search “auto-save not saving” or “undo not working” and “how to reconnect in FCPX”.
You will find them. There are plenty of reported problems on this matter. I am sure you didn’t had the time to learn them. And if you are using it for paying jobs, that’s not something that will help you accomplishing that. ”I’ll ignore your condescending tone and assume that your fairly young and like to argue online. I’m fully aware of all of the posts and threads, the good and the bad. I’ve probably done more research than you as my decisions impact a 7 figure facility. You don’t build a company like mine by doing things blindly or stupidly. I haven’t written a thing about what I’ve read, only what I’ve experienced.
The only reason I’m posting here is to help further an honest and respectful discussion of a fairly important decision for a lot of people. I’ve been very frank in my criticisms of X while discussing our decision making process regarding FCP, PrP, Avid. As someone with a reasonable resume in the creative and production world I think it may have value to new users and people wrestling with the same decision
Good luck with your editing.
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Gee, man. I was talking about being blind on the desktop.
FCPX won’t let you see the card, hence no monitoring.That’s it.
No “arguing online”. I was responding to your comments on my opinion on FCPIf only you calmly read my answer instead of jumping on me…
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Jim,
It appears that you are not aware that Creative Cow makes it quite easy for you to quote another human being, and with automatic attribution too.
For instance, if I simply highlight a sentence from your post above and hit the “q” button, here’s what you get:
[Jim Giberti] “Good luck with your editing.”
The instructions are right above the response window. If you use the technology as intended it’s faster and easier for you and better for everyone else too, because we know whom you’re actually quoting.
Kind of qualifies as a win/win for all. Right?
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/Podcast-Series-2-MikeParfitandSuzanneChisholm/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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[David Roth Weiss] “Jim,
It appears that you are not aware that Creative Cow makes it quite easy for you to quote another human being, and with automatic attribution too.
“You mean as opposed to quoting a poodle?
[David Roth Weiss] “The instructions are right above the response window. If you use the technology as intended it’s faster and easier for you and better for everyone else too, because we know whom you’re actually quoting.”
Thank you for pointing that out David, it certainly beats my Rube Goldberg technique.
[David Roth Weiss] “Kind of qualifies as a win/win for all. Right?”
That was rhetorical, right?
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[Bill Davis] “I became almost INSTANTLY frustrated at a deep emotional level”
I get the same way when I drive to work in traffic instead of riding my bicycle. Deep emotional frustration.
I have been avoiding going back to FCP7. Every time I start a new edit, I tell myself “just one more” and start the thing in X.
I’ve written about how I feel like I’m playing Russian Roulette, because I know there will be some sort of catastrophic event that will wipe out hours or more of my work, and make me start an edit over from the beginning.
There is so much that is still wrong with it, and we’ve been talking about that over and over, but there is so much that is cutting edge, and that’s what I’m addicted to on a deep emotional level.
Is it faster for me? With the current state of the interface, it’s probably close to a wash. With the bugs and spinning beachballs I still get, I think it’s slower.
I’m waiting for that event, because that’s probably where I’ll walk away from X until they fix the stuff that’s broken.
I literally want to scream out loud when I have to decide between putting effects in a bunch of clips and adjusting them individually, or copying the effect from one clip to another and fixing all the effects I didn’t want changed including audio levels for crying out loud. There are too many things like that that need to be fixed.
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FCX. She tempts me, abuses me, beats me up, makes me feel worthless, then in the end she comes around, helps me get my work done, gives me hope and I can’t stop thinking about her.Mark Morache
Avid/Xpri/FCP7/FCX
Evening Magazine,Seattle, WA
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[Jim Giberti] “How am I doing?”
By George, I think you’ve got it.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/Podcast-Series-2-MikeParfitandSuzanneChisholm/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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Walter,
I know that many use Avid and Premier and Vegas – and have no quarrel with them for doing so INCLUDING switching from FCP if that makes sense for them – but at the core I honestly don’t see myself as an “editing professional” so much as a guy who makes his living by solving business problems for my clients – most often by using video to drive results.
This is subtly different from many here who clearly see their roles as deciding upon and operating EDITING software.
I have little interest in maintaining “brain share” of how multiple NLEs operate. I’m naturally curious about them, but the idea that I would need to learn three complex systems to do the same job seems to me insanely non-productive.
Also the idea that I need to “compare and contrast” multiple software is tiresome. The EOL of FCP Legacy had me thinking that I might need to. But instead I discovered that I could migrate to X and in spite of the initial negative “hue and cry”, I’m discovering that as I learn it’s ways, it’s working out a lot better than I expected.
Once I cleared the initial very high bar of re-education with X, I’m getting great satisfaction with it as a primary editing tool.
So when someone says “Premier does that too and has done that longer” my response is “Great, but so what?” It’s like someone saying “that sentence would be more elegant in French” My response would be “That’s fine. But I don’t speak French, I speak fluent FCP-7 and I’ve now got conversational FCP-X. And since I’m not a professional language teacher, I find those to be ample languages for me, for now.
I might have learned AVID, or VEGAS if FCP-X had failed for me. But it hasn’t. At all.
My personal migration from FCP Legacy to FCP-X has been both better and worse than I expected. But in the final analysis, I’m at the point where it’s won me over. Me. Not anyone else. Just me.
What I will note, however, is that the assertion that it’s fatally flawed as a general purpose editing tool is bogus. I can assert that with confidence because now that I’ve learned the basics of HOW to use it, it working very well for me.
Those of us who didn’t give up on it too rapidly, are beginning to feel like we might have made a very good call.
Simple as that.
And on the subject of what FCP-X “might” have been – I’ll just notice that as a 1.0 it’s honestly “light years” ahead of where Legacy was at 1.0. (something I also say with confidence since I was cutting on Legacy back at 1.0 when it didn’t even support JKL timeline transport!)
This is different. It’s young. And yeah, I believe it’s the future. As to your concern about whether the underlying metaphor REQUIRED change, that’s to my thinking, far to “inside baseball” for me.
What it IS is making me happy enough. Like that very lucky day I met my wife, I could have looked at something she wasn’t (rich) and focused on that. But her “core” shown as something of rare and precious value. So that’s where I made my bet. It’s sill paying off more than two decades later.
With luck, maybe I’ll get the next 10 years out of FCP-X. That would be nice.
FWIW.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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