4K Video/1080p render? (vids inside)

[George Dean]

Rick, did you do those samples on you system?

Best Regards……George

[Rick Antonio]

Yes, I’m actually cutting another right now in mxf

[George Dean]

If you get the same results in VP15 that you get in VP12, on the same PC, and I don’t get those results in VP13 and VP15, that seems to me there is something in your PC system, perhaps the GPU, that is causing the issue. When I can download your drone source and can download your still sources from your library, if I also had your project veg file, I could then absolutely duplicate your project to see what results I get on my PC system.

When you have time, could you send to my gmail and attach your project file for both the vp12 and vp15, the 4k projects? Thank You.

Best Regards……George

[Rick Antonio]

OK, I tried rendering as an MXF file, but it wouldn’t open using Windows Media Classic (it asked to setup WMP, which I refuse to use)

So I tried rendering in Magix ProRes HQ50p and it appears to be stuck at 100% render (for like the last 10 minutes)

https://s5.postimg.cc/dx6h726f9/prores_HQ50p_Magixscreenshot.jpg

Gunna restart and try again

[George Dean]

VLC Media Player will play mxf files, it’s free. Another good free player is Daum Potplayer.

Best Regards……George

[Rick Antonio]

I had VLC before and it pretty much took over my computer lol

Not as simple or smooth as WMP Classic and I couldn’t stand all the orange cones on my screen

Never heard of potplayer though.

Here are a couple of renderings in Pro15 from another car show on Sunday

MPEG2 1080-60i

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6ZukoTKPOQ

Magix AVC 4k 2160-50fps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz8SkJeDQ5w

Same issues with transitions ????

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[George Dean]

Hi Rick,

I managed to get your original drone source footage downloaded and now in the process of rendering some test in both VP12 and VP15. Results so far….

VP12 (770), MainConcept, 4096×2160, 23.397 fps, 3D Blind/Spin transition, drone footage is smooth, stills are clear.
VP12 (770), MainConcept, 1920×1080, 23.397 fps, 3D Blind/Spin transition, drone footage is smooth, stills are clear.

I’m working on VP15 currently and Magix AVC format in both 4K and HD comparison. After that I will test Ole’s suggestion using XAVC S Long for a comparison.

So far I can not duplicate the original problem you stated in the opening of this thread. Again, because of my bandwidth/data allotment, I probably will not be able to upload to Youtube the resulting test files until Friday.

Best Regards……George

[George Dean]

So far, these are the test I have made and the results…..

– VP12 (770), MainConcept, 4096×2160, 23.976 fps, 3D Blind/Spin transition, drone footage is smooth, stills are clear (394 mg).
– VP12 (770), MainConcept, 1920×1080, 23.976 fps, 3D Blind/Spin transition, drone footage is smooth, stills are clear (382 mg).
– VP15 (361), Magix AVC, 4096×2160, 23.976 fps, 3D Blind/Spin transition, drone footage is smooth, stills are clear (719 mg).
– VP15 (361), Magix AVC, 1920×1080, 23.976 fps, 3D Blind/Spin transition, drone footage is smooth, stills are clear (759 mg).
– VP15 (361), FrameServe to Handbrake h.264, 4096×2160, 23.976 fps, 3D Blind/Spin transition, drone footage is smooth, stills are clear (165 mg).
– VP15 (361), Sony XAVC S Long, 3840×2160, 23.976 fps, 3D Blind/Spin transition, drone footage is smooth, stills are clear (2.04 gb).

There is a small difference in the transitions viewing on my PC. Otherwise the drone footage and still images look about the same between the renders. I would say the Sony XAVC S Long and Magix AVC provide the best quality both in source material and the transitions (with my equipment and eyes no visual difference when viewing), and this would have been expected. These are also huge files sizes compared to the MainConcept and Handbrake h.264. It’s always a trade off when uploading to online services, better quality -vs- small uploads/downloads.

Regardless, I still can not duplicate your original issue with the stills in 4K, or the drone footage in HD.

NOTE: In the sample test listed above, I used your music, the intro image, about the same amount of drone footage, 12 of your original high rez still images, and about the same amount of drone footage at the end, as you used in your first example project posted. So the file sizes I noted above with each render would obviously be larger if I had included all the still images you had included in your project.

Best Regards……George

[George Dean]

I added one additional render to the test (in Italic)…..

So far, these are the test I have made and the results…..

– VP12 (770), MainConcept, 4096×2160, 23.976 fps, 3D Blind/Spin transition, drone footage is smooth, stills are clear (394 mg).
– VP12 (770), MainConcept, 1920×1080, 23.976 fps, 3D Blind/Spin transition, drone footage is smooth, stills are clear (382 mg).
– VP15 (361), Magix AVC, 4096×2160, 23.976 fps, 3D Blind/Spin transition, drone footage is smooth, stills are clear (719 mg).
– VP15 (361), Magix AVC, 1920×1080, 23.976 fps, 3D Blind/Spin transition, drone footage is smooth, stills are clear (759 mg).
– VP15 (361), Sony AVC, 1920×1080, 23.976 fps, 3D Blind/Spin transition, drone footage is smooth, stills are clear (194 mg). This by far is the best trade off between file size and quality rendered in HD
– VP15 (361), FrameServe to Handbrake h.264, 4096×2160, 23.976 fps, 3D Blind/Spin transition, drone footage is smooth, stills are clear (165 mg).
– VP15 (361), Sony XAVC S Long, 3840×2160, 23.976 fps, 3D Blind/Spin transition, drone footage is smooth, stills are clear (2.04 gb).

There is a small difference in the transitions viewing on my PC. Otherwise the drone footage and still images look about the same between the renders. I would say the Sony XAVC S Long and Magix AVC provide the best quality both in source material and the transitions (with my equipment and eyes no visual difference when viewing), and this would have been expected. These are also huge files sizes compared to the MainConcept and Handbrake h.264. It’s always a trade off when uploading to online services, better quality -vs- small uploads/downloads.

Regardless, I still can not duplicate your original issue with the stills in 4K, or the drone footage in HD.

NOTE: In the sample test listed above, I used your music, the intro image, about the same amount of drone footage, 12 of your original high rez still images, and about the same amount of drone footage at the end, as you used in your first example project posted. So the file sizes I noted above with each render would obviously be larger if I had included all the still images you had included in your project.

Best Regards……George

Best Regards……George

[George Dean]

Hi Rick,

I have uploaded four samples for you to view. All are using your source media both the drone footage and stills. I have attempted to duplicate your project as close as possible and using VP12 on the first and second, and using VP15 on the third and forth. 1, 2 and 3 are using your 3D Blind-Spin transition….

1. This sample is 4K (4096×2160) 23.976p, VP12 and MainConcept. Additional details are in the Youtube comment area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv5jPDDPYIM

2. This sample is HD (1920×1080) 23.976p, VP12 and MainConcept with the same exact material and editing. Additional details are in the Youtube comment area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNVuHu3RwEQ

3. This sample is HD (1920×1080) 23.976p, VP15 using Handbrake and Matroska h.265 codec with the same exact material and editing. Additional details are in the Youtube comment area. I also have a sample of this but in QFHD (3840×2160) if you are interested in viewing it. (I may have enough bandwidth to upload it later today)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvoa6WeTHGM

4. This sample is HD (1920×1080) 23.976, VP15 using Handbrake and Matroska h.265 codec, but in this one I made some minor editing changes from 1,2, & 3 above, as well as, light color correction and used the NewBlue transition, which is similar to your preferred 3D Blind-Spin, but I think it is much cleaner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esdyNc3RztU

I’m most interested in your likes/dislikes of all these in comparison to your original issue. After working with the 3D Blind-spin transition and how it appears (on my equipment), I’m not a fan. However, if you are happy with it, that is what is important to you. If I were going to use this spinning type of transition, I would prefer the NewBlue MSPPS 3D Flip-OpenFX, which I used in number 4 above. However I doubt you have this in your version of Vegas Pro 12. I think I got it as a free add-on in either VP13 or VP15.

The reason I selected Handbrake and Matroska h.265 on #3 and #4 (although they are only HD), is because they are more efficient being a slightly better quality than MainConcept and smaller file size. I frameserve out of Vegas Pro directly into Handbrake and then select the rendering template for the specific project. If you are not familiar with frame serving it is very efficient once installed and setup through Vegas scripting and will work with VP12. I can provide a link to a tutorial if you are interested in trying it out.

Best Regards……George