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10.2.3 Update is here
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Bring back Bruce!
“I must find the perfect spoon.” — Salad Fingers
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[Robin S. Kurz] ” although I’m one of those many that never even used the mixer (beyond maybe the master bus or for training purposes) when he had one in FCP 7 … “
Neither did I with FCP7 because it’s mixer lacked subs, sends, fx and all the other qualities of a decent audio mixer.
[Robin S. Kurz] ” … or elsewhere”
Elsewhere however, better options were to be found.
[Robin S. Kurz] “THAT I would definitely want (and use) sooner than later! And if for no other reason than to shut certain people up on the subject.”
A noble motivation to be sure.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “because it’s mixer lacked subs, sends, fx and all the other qualities of a decent audio mixer. “
All of which (plus much much more) I have with Logic, should I (or the guy doing my audio) feel the need. But then I’ve never considered my NLE to be a DAW. There’s an app for that…
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] “All of which (plus much much more) I have with Logic, should I (or the guy doing my audio) feel the need. But then I’ve never considered my NLE to be a DAW. There’s an app for that…”
This is always a very subjective issue – what belongs in the NLE vs what should be done in a third party Ap. this goes for color correction, audio mix, and compositing. Further it goes to the nature of the exchange relationship between the NLE and other APs – is XML, AAF or OMF hand-off good enough, do you have to “freeze” the edit before the exchange, how closely do the various aps work with each other.
My own preferences are to do as much as possible in the NLE – I want to see and hear things evolving in the timeline as I work – the quality of the audio effects my visual choices, the visuals effect my audio and content choices – even if some or even much of what I am doing will eventually be replaced.
If I am going to use external apps to do some of the heavy lifting I want the exchange to be as seamless and as bi-directional as possible – which is why I have such a problem with the way Motion now integrates with FCPX, which is a shame because I much preferred it to working with AE.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “what should be done in a third party Ap.”
3rd party Ap [sic]?
[Herb Sevush] “do you have to “freeze” the edit before the exchange”
It’s what I commonly call “locked picture“, yes. Goes for both sound and color btw. But that may just be a weird workflow quirk of mine.
[Herb Sevush] “which is why I have such a problem with the way Motion now integrates with FCPX”
Aside from maybe not being able to send a clip directly from the FCP timeline, the integration is seamless. In very many ways even FAR better than what PPro and AE have (cue the subject of speed, not to mention editability), let alone what was possible in 7. But yeah… YMMV, as they say.
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Aside from maybe not being able to send a clip directly from the FCP timeline, the integration is seamless.”
That’s like saying apart from being a one way street it’s just like a two way street – you know, it has pavement and cars driving on it. And inserting the word “maybe” in the middle doesn’t make the sentence any less ridiculous.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “That’s like saying apart from being a one way street it’s just like a two way street”
You’re clearly not the least bit up to speed on the integration of Motion in FCP. But that’s okay… speaking of ridiculous.
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] “You’re clearly not the least bit up to speed on the integration of Motion in FCP. But that’s okay… speaking of ridiculous.”
OK, so show me the error of my ways. From within FCPX can you select a section of your timeline and send those clips to Motion, with their in and outpoints preserved, for further compositing? that is a requirement for a bi-directional work flow, something that has been available in many NLE’s for over 15 years.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “so show me the error of my ways”
Simply ignoring what I previously wrote would already be a brilliant start…
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[Herb Sevush] “OK, so show me the error of my ways. From within FCPX can you select a section of your timeline and send those clips to Motion, with their in and outpoints preserved, for further compositing? that is a requirement for a bi-directional work flow, something that has been available in many NLE’s for over 15 years.
“Of course you can’t Herb and many of us would rather you could, there is some excellent integration in other ways but sadly it lacks this very basic ability which is odd as the other integration seems to be much more complex
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