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Spent the Evening with iMovie 11
Holy crap! I spent the evening going thru tutorials and trying to cut a mockup 30 sec. music video. I hope to hell that FCP X has more to offer than iMovie 11. The first nightmare was take a 3 min audio track and make it start and end in 30 sec.As a guitarist, cutting around phrases to make the impossible sound good is standard operating procedure. No problem on a normal timeline. Editing audio with the clip editor doesnt allow this process and you dont even see the full duration of the clip on the time line. I got used to marking (rubber banding) and inserting the clips and the precision tool is interesting. But at first blush Premiere Pro/After Effects is looking better and better. I wouldnt consider Media Composer 5.5 because its just to rigid and cumbersome after using FCP 7 and PP (I edited with Avid DS for 12 years so I do have various points of comparison.) I know they are supposed to be different apps, but I saw a lot of the things in iMovie that were present in the Sneak Peek so they seem to share a lot of tool sets. YUCK!
Tom Daigon
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If you want to find out more about FCP-X you’d be better off looking at some of the many videos on line from the supermeet presentation.
I don’t understand why you would think playing with iMovie 11 would be a preview of FCP-X.
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There’s an FCPX forum now for this sort of wild speculation
Steve Connor
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[Phil Balsdon] “If you want to find out more about FCP-X you’d be better off looking at some of the many videos on line from the supermeet presentation.”
Tom doesn’t have to, he was at the SuperMeet as was I. As he notes, many of the features presented as “new” during the event are already in iMovie 11 so you can try them out today if you want.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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My apologies, I thought these forums were where people could come and learn positive aspects about how to best use Final Cut Pro, ask questions and get help from experts, and where as well as learn I could contribute some of my 40+ years of experience to help those who want to learn.
I appear to have been mistaken, the last few days, on this and other forums, I’ve read so many negative and cynical reports from people speculating about a product that very few truly know much about.
I doubt Apple are going to ask people to pay for a product that’s only a little better than a free version, they’re much better business savvy than that. Apple use the fact that FCP is used to edit major feature films as a marketing tool to sell FCP to a huge market of enthusiastic film makers, they’re hardly going to destroy its appeal to this area by dumbing it down.
A little over 10 years ago the equipment to do what one of today’s most basic NLEs (even iMovie) can do would have cost millions of dollars. Never has their been so much opportunity to make and distribute good quality video as the present.
Cinematographer, Steadicam Operator, Final Cut Pro Post Production.
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Phil, theres no need to be so defensive and self righteous. I was merely reporting my personal feeling on my experience with iMovie which shares
certain qualities with FCP X. I realize they probably differ in many ways. But I found the editing process unpleasant and reported it as such. Your mileage may vary from mine. 😉Tom Daigon
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Phil, there’s no need to be so defensive and self righteous.
Self-righteous? Can’t one express reasonable opinions here with conviction and passion without being personally criticized? If not, let’s start a forum where one can.
Your mileage may vary from mine
Now that’s better.
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It’s a forum, not a fun club. (Definition – forum: “A public meeting place for open discussion.”)
I’m absolutely on the same page with Tom and Walter here. Waiting for June… for what? Just for confirmation, what wasn’t mentioned on sneak peak, it aint gonna happen.
Nothing revolutionary can happen in 2 months.
There is no logic in keeping something for later.If looks like iMovie, feels like iMovie, behaves lie iMovie… then it must be iMovie (pro).
The fact that it’s got new features doesn’t make it more Professional. Of course it should have more feature, but not many of them are those that a Final Cut Pro User (1 – 7 version user) is going to be trilled about.And Phil, just to answer your economical rationale, here is this I posted few days ago on this forum on a similar topic:
That’s not the rationale here. It’s simply a new application that fits in new ecosystem of Google, You Tube and social media.
It’s an application for masses not for few.Why build a suite that will cost them $millions to develop (and further $millions to upgrade, R&D etc)
and sell it to thousands users for $2K when we can sell it for $500 to MILLIONS of users.So, new online ecosystem dictates everything, tags, vord recognition, face recognition all that perfectly fits with Google, You Tube, Facebook and iTunes sharing revolution.
We loved the democratization of video that started a decade a go (and all benefits that came with it: lower price, competition among 3As etc.) , now… the democratization has gone a bit to far for our taste.We just have to forget about Apple and look around… (at least they are still making great hardware,
I mean CS5 already works better and is more advanced on Apple’s hardware then Apple’s software)
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I think I disagree with that rationale –
what about if you put it another way – what if FCX becomes the photoshop of editing system? What if it just flat out wins? Photoshop has a continuum of applications from design, through fashion, architecture, illustration, all based around a common toolset that been refined for an age.
There have been some back of envelope sums done on what the revenue implications here are for apple – they’re potentially significant – out of the the 50 million imovie users, if apple net one in ten, in addition to the two million of us who will automatically buy it because its 299 – then they have a business that nets them 2.1 billion in the first year. As pure profit – with no packaging and distribution costs. That’s a very serious goal – even for apple.
I like the idea of that scale of a win for two reasons –
1: I can just sit with FCX and never think about having to learn avid – this pleases me, because I’m a lazy slob and at least FCX look vaguely exciting. AVID is as much fun to operate as a rock bun.
2: that level of a win means that the real competition might well come from brand new entrants – with the tool in so many hands the market becomes immensely more lucrative – You could see another entrant, a vimeo to apple’s youtube if you will, appearing within 3/4 years as a major challenge, competing with them directly in the appstore, in the editing section, where you can also pick up baselight for two hundred bucks.. doesn’t that sound nice?http://www.ogallchoir.net
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[Miodrag Ristic] “Just for confirmation, what wasn’t mentioned on sneak peak, it aint gonna happen.”
That’s absurd Mio. I suggest you get your crystal ball re-calibrated.
As I mentioned in a previous post to another whose crystal ball seemed cloudy, just because you didn’t see a dual-monitor setup at the sneak, are you going to suggest unequivocally that FCX is a single monitor solution, period, end of story?
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
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A forum host of Creative COW’s Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums. Formerly host of the Apple Final Cut Basics, Indie Film & Documentary, and Film History & Appreciations forums.
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That’s the problem! It’s exactly what I and many others have said,
it’s an application but for different people for different market.It’s for lazy (sorry, but you introduced this), edit on the fly, quick fix, one click type of users.
Nothing more to add.
And it’s nothing wrong with that.
Probably, for some of those reasons I’m using Photoshop Elements, as I don’t need full Photoshop because I don’t need all those feature, I’m not a graphic designer.But, I’ll never say that Elements is better or that is the future.
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