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P2 HD 2/3″ CCD camera
Is there close posibility to have P2 version of HDX 400 equivalent camera with variable compression facility similar to upcoming Thomson Infinity camera?
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Yes in 1 year or 2.
Just kidding.
I am sure they will be testing next 12 months HD P2 on upcomming Pana200.
After that they will release new Varicam and new industrial ENG HD
2/3′ camcorders on P2 as they have done with DVCPRO 50.
I just worry about Sony HD xdcam-it looks dead to me.
jiri -
The HD XDCAM recently announced at IBC is not the final incarnation. The current version is only an interim product. It has only 1/2″ ccds and lens.
Nope, not dead. But things will become very interesting I would imagine in the near future.
I like to keep my original footage on the medium I shot it on for some projects. Currently P2 doesn’t allow me to do this. But I am watching any developments pretty closely.
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[Simon Wyndham] “I like to keep my original footage on the medium I shot it on for some projects”
Exactly why XDCAM HD is preferable for most of our workflows at the moment, but P2 would certainly fit for our drama shoots.
Steve Connor
Cardinal HD -
Hmm. I would say the opposite. I think P2 is better suited to fast throwaway production. P2 has faster access and transfer times than XDCAM. So I think the more archival properties of XD are more suited to dramatic production. Even more so because unlike P2 the clips can be organised on the disc as you shoot (ie by close ups, medium shots etc, or by scene). The latest version of the XDCAM firmware allows the recording of the proxy files onto the Memory Stick. So an editor could truly be editing using the proxies with no interruption to shooting other than taking out and replacing the Memory Stick (which costs next to nothing). At the end of the day the full res files can be conformed. P2 would have to dump all the high res footage as you go along taking longer. If you had a lot of P2 cards you could perform this sort of workflow without delaying shooting by hotswapping. But even if you did the footage would not be stored permenantly on the cards, only on the laptop or editing system present at the location.
So far I have not had a problem with reliability of XDCAM discs, and at present I would feel safer with them than with a hard drive or laptop which if dropped could lose all the footage.
BTW, nice Rolf endorsment!
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At IBC there was a ‘wooden’ HD version of the SPX-800( the ‘big’ P2 cam)
Release date: ‘mid 2006’
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Also quality of picture from both XDCAM and XDCAM HD is well behind true
Pana HD 720p.(and Infinity)
I can not see anybody buying expansive 1/2′ xdcam HD if Thomson is comming with its 14bit,2/3′ camera Infinity-no chance.
Sony will have to do something nonw.
Canon,JVC and Pana200 are killing the low end and from the middle there is Thomson and its vast experience in camera technology.
Personally I can see Infinity replacement for my current DVCPRO50 gear.
jiri -
Thomsons camera doesn’t even exist yet. They haven’t even finalised its specifications.
The Panasonic Varicam has been around for a number of years. It is not aimed at the same market as the current HD version of XDCAM. As for the picture quality, I wouldn’t want to speculate too much until I have seen it. 1/2″ chips won’t give the best performance. But they won’t give the worst either.
The fact is that at the moment the HD market at the DSR570 level is not sorted out yet, and doesn’t look as if it will be for a while yet. The cameras could even come down in price, but unfortunately the cost of HD glass doesn’t look like it is coming down anytime soon.
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Beside XDCAM HD maximum quality is 35mb/sec and is largely compressed. Concidering magic work of codecs XDCAM HD is better to HDV (19mb/sec), but not even close to Panasonic 100mb/sec and less compressed HD.
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[jiri vrozina] “Also quality of picture from both XDCAM and XDCAM HD is well behind true
Pana HD 720p.(and Infinity)
I can not see anybody buying expansive 1/2′ xdcam HD if Thomson is comming with its 14bit,2/3′ camera Infinity-no chance.
Sony will have to do something nonw.”We haven’t seen pictures from any of these cameras yet so you can only base this on theory at the moment!
Steve Connor
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Lets remember that dvcprohd@720p24 is only 40Mbps.
If Sony doubles the bitrate to 70Mbps, then there’s a real competitor.
AFAIK all the decks and drives allready support this double speed.
And I’d choose 1/2″ over 1/3″ anytime.
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