P2 HD 2/3″ CCD camera

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Thank You for that Simon.
Good Luck in the future and hang around as well.
I am sure Sony will next year release their version of P2.
Sony have had Memory Stick for a while now,I am sure they will introduce it in HDV first and then the rest will follow.
I bought small still camera 2 years ago.128mb memory cost me about $100.
We all know how much it is today.
Video Future will be most likely in this kind of technology,unfortunately it will be expensive for next 2 years.
Regards-Jiri Vrozina

[Ron Lindeboom]

Simon,

You have about 30 seconds to drop the ‘tude or hit the road. Your call on option one, my call on option two.

Ron

[Simon Wyndham]

Ron I made that comment in jest right after your first post to me. I’m sorry if you took it too much to heart.

[Jan Crittenden livingston]

Simon Wyndham: Hey Jan, it wasn’t me who introduced XDCAM into this discussion. As you will see from the very top of this thread it was the mention of HD XDCAM that brought me into it. You might like to look on things as being XDCAM chest beating. Hey, its the system I use a lot. I looked into P2. If you can tell me where all the clip organisation abilities are in camera, or even with the P2 free downloadable software it would be nice if you pointed it out.

It is in the P2 Viewer software. You can name or rename, add many other essential details, whatever your pleasure, short of acting like an archiving data-base, it allows for more information than most customers care to add.

>Because a) the manuals for P2 hardware certainly make no mention of such abilities,

Not sure why this is, it should be and I will agree with you there, but the camera comes with the software. I am not the product manager for this camera, so I am not in control of these ideas but will bring it to his attention. I know the very early manuals may not be as complete as the current one as the camera was released without full feature set and has been upgraded over the last year about 2-3 times. So perhaps when the final manual is finished it will be in there.

>and b) you aren’t exactly endearing me to the HVX by practically making out I’m some kind of Sony henchman.

If it felt so, I apologize, but it seemed as though there was a tone in your responses that was negatively aimed at the P2 system, so if I interpreted that incorrectly, sorry about that as well.

> This kind of hardware is not cheap, and if someone is asking about the various capabilities I will point them out as I see them.

I agree with you that equipment is not cheap and it takes a certain amount of faith to purchase. And it takes a good foundation of understanding to make decisions.

>Being one of the product managers for a new piece of P2 hardware if I am wrong then please correct me. I don’t want to know about your sales to another company. Sony could probably tell you of a few that were looking into P2 but bought XD instead.

Exactly but I guess the way I saw it, was that you made statements presented as facts that the system was flawed and frankly I felt my saying “it isn’t” could be construed as the little kids in the back room saying “yes it is, no it’s not” or to be accused of just more marketing hype. So I chose to point to a customer that made a decision, an expensive one and that sounds as though it isn’t just me with marketing hype, it is another rational entity that made the decision. I hope you can appreciate why I chose a customer story.

>No, what I’m interested in is the facts. You have accused me of having limited experience. From what do you base these comments on? I certainly didn’t plonk down nearly 25k UKP on hardware without looking into all the options!

Well since you didn’t know about the downloadable P2 viewer in which all of the metadata can be customized, I guess that is what lead me to that assumption. I am sure that you chose what is best for you and your workflow requirement. However, that is isn’t close to the P2 workflow.

>1) Does P2 have on camera clip organisation and naming?

Yes, totally possible, although I can’t rename in the camera, I can in the P2viewer, however I can choose clips for playout, do a standup edit on the fly, delete, reclaim time, edit from, with more than one stream of video(Avid has done as many as 5 streams) and back to the card, and if desired transfer the footage at faster than real time onto the hard drive, from either the camera, or the P2 Drive. The card can also at this time be inserted into a PC via a PCMCIA card and the files can be transferred off. If I want proxy, and this is in the big camera, I can have proxy and I can edit with proxy, but it is not a requirement. It can go from reviewing footage anywhere on the memory card to record in less than a 1/2 second, and never have to wait for the spin-up. In reality to produce something all I would need is the camera and a PC with a firewire port and a story can be made.

>2) With regards to different types of projects what is your honest appraisal of both systems for different tasks?

I am not in a position to nor would I consider addressing the XDCAM system, since my experience is rather short, only anecdotal and it is not my product line, as far as HVX P2 however, I think it has a tremendous potential in digital film production, B & I video production as well as news, and many points in-between.

>3) Has Panasonic done any software upgrades to current P2 cameras that increase or add to their feature set?

Absolutely. There have been three software upgrades up till April of this year that either fine-tuned or added features.

>I did try to tackle the points Ron made in a constructive way. However I cannot help but get my back up at comments such as your Jan. Especially when you are supposed to be selling me on your system, not putting me off it!

I apologize if you took what I was saying in a critical way; maybe I was coming from having my hackles up in the way that you itemized the “problems” in P2. My interpretation, up and until you responded to Ron was that you were not interested in the P2 system nor this camera based on comments that you were making, so the problem is that when we read our way through the internet without the opportunity to understand or gain the full expression of our communication which may be expressed more easily by being face to face, we only have the words to help us decide the full meaning our communication and perhaps the full communication does not happen as is the case here.

So I apologize if you took offense to my words. I guess I didn’t understand from where you were coming. Hope these answers give you a little more information, and please if you have more questions, ask away.

Best regards,

Jan

Jan Crittenden Livingston
Product Manager, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100
Panasonic Broadcast & TV Systems

[Ron Lindeboom]

Own your words or don’t but do not insult my intelligence with disingenuousness like this, Simon.

Ron Lindeboom

[Simon Wyndham]

Okay Ron. Read the date and times of that post. I’ve said all I can but it seems that you want read what you want to see and that is that. There is nothing more I can say. I’m outta here. The Cow has been an interesting place to hang out.

Thank you Jan for your response. I will offlist you if I can, and I appreciate your reply.

Over and out.

[Ron Lindeboom]

[Jan Crittenden Livingston] “My interpretation, up and until you responded to Ron was that you were not interested in the P2 system nor this camera based on comments that you were making…”

Exactly the way I interpreted it, as well. I do not think I was hallucinating nor was I misreading the message — it was quite clear what he was REALLY saying and in remarks like “Regarding P2, I still do not see its flexibility, even in the future.”

It’s always easy to back-up and say that you didn’t mean what you said but I doubt that had I not jumped in with heavy feet, that he would have backed down from the intent, message and directness of the meaning of what he was REALLY saying. But it’s easy to throw up a smoke screen and say you didn’t mean what you most clearly did…

But that’s MY opinion and you are free to read it however else you wish to.

Best regards,

Ron Lindeboom

[Rodrigo Lizana]

There

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[Rodrigo Lizana] “Q”

There’s lots of xdcams out there in rugged eng-work. And rumors so far have been that they are more reliable that tape based systems have been.
So of course you can compare different technologies and their reliability.
Getting the data to comparison might be a bit hard though.

[Ivan Kacer]

To me, pure data recording with protection in field is quicker and more reliable towards mechanical burning.