[Wolf Lawrence]

reading through this a few times to try to grasp it. but got lost at the idea where i make the same multicam edit to two sets of sequences… sounds fairly complicated vs tight/clean/user-friendly, but i may try it conceptually out of curiosity.

i see how must rely on adjust layers between camera layers for any new project i start and before a native .mts multicam edit next time, but for now it seems a convoluted riddle.

luckily, i gained enough playback control by turning off a lumetri b/w effect to finalize my edits for rest of show, then turn them on later only to render.

[Wolf Lawrence]

my concern is that i have a finished 2-cam multicam edit: cam 1 on v1 and cam 2 on v2. so the question i had to pose to myself before trying it was this:

if i want to apply an adjustment layer to cam 1 then, as i understand it, i’d need to move cam 2 to v3 on timeline. but having never done this, i must ask if this would alter/kill my already finished multicam edit?

if so, then ‘adjustment layers’ are not a workaround for ‘already-edited’ multicam projects that get stuck/mired by applying 3-4 lumetri-grade ‘video effects’ to clips in the timeline aka poses a hurdle for .mts editors.

so i went to test this in a dummy/copy of project and indeed: i killed my multicam edit -turned it into a continuous black screen. anyone have any insight on that?

so i must pose the same question to all the other ideas posted: will the posted ideas similarly kill my already-finished multicam edit the same way my approach did?

[Wolf Lawrence]

update: i decreased pre-roll time from 3 sec to 2 sec and instantly saw a difference i.e. smooth playback upon hitting play vs waiting for it to sputter up to speed over 3 seconds and smooth-enough playback at 1/2 resolution and 50% size. amazing discovery really.

[Wolf Lawrence]

thanks. my goal was to use plugins to avoid needing any other tool outside ppcc. but that wish may be a pipe dream as is asking adobe for a feature that Vegas+AE have that lets us disable/re-enable each effect across a project so we can instantly turn ‘off’ effect(s) to better allow tweaking an edit then ‘on’ to render. i still did submit it.

this would provide an easy workaround option that AE+Vegas users enjoy, even if the root issue remains unchanged: ppcc seems unable to handle native .mts 2-camera editing if you turn ‘on’ 4 video fx at same time which i view as typical of any project (at least not on i7 win8 laptops that exceed specs). this forces users to stop the presses and get very savvy about how to outfox ppcc limitations and circumnavigate aka master convoluted adjustment layers and more programs like speedgrade or AE to finish.

luckily, i regained 1/2 control of playback just by taking the time to manually step through my clips and turn off the lumetri ‘fx’ for all cam 1 clips aka i have smooth playback at 1/4 resolution 25% size, but not 50% size or higher resolution.

ppcc clearly strains to process 4-5 video fx for a native .mts edit.

if i next turn off the RE:match camera-matching ‘fx’ on every cam1 clip, i’ll likely regain another good degree of playback control.

a simpler way to do this same thing is what AE+Vegas users enjoy. it’d not be a fix to the root issue, but a workaround that lets us finish.

[Wolf Lawrence]

what was the answer to this? i’m about to do this, but like matt was wondering: is there an easy way to do this?

i found the answer in another thread on adobe forum where many like me see wisdom in a simple checkbox/button feature like AE+Vegas have to turn effects on/off quickly without adjustment layers:

Quickly Disable All Effects for Preview?
https://forums.adobe.com/message/3526471
by allinthemind2006:
figured out a great way to do this with adjustment layers that takes under a minute to setup. once your edit is somewhat locked down and youre ready to grade, on a single track, stretch one adjustment layer across the top of your edit. hit home to start at frame one and use the down arrow (shortcut to go to next/previous cut edit point of all clips) to move to the first cut of the sequence then hit “cmd k” (add edit) to cut the adjustment layer, continue hitting down cmd k until the adjustment layer has precisely the same cuts all the way across as your edit.

this sounds like a pain but its not, very mindless, fast and easy. once youre done, select any individual adjustment layer along with the clip beneath it and command L to link them. this will make the clip and its adjustment layer moveable as one entity. do all of your heavy effects and color grading on the adjustment layers above the clips.

a month later when the client comes back with changes, no sweat, just disable the adjustment layer track, make your edit changes then turn it back on and render out. this workflow requires you to be more organized on your sequence but will save your butt in the end.

[Wolf Lawrence]

there was a 4th ‘lumetri’ video effect so a bit going on but i’d say typical.

my next rescue steps are to create adjustment layers so that i can turn effects “off” to playback or tweak an edit/cut/synch or “on” to render. i’ll move my “3way color corrections” to layer #1 so i can easily enable/disable it for that camera, then to enable/disable the ‘camera matching’ plugin fx i’ll move it to layer #2 and to enable/disable the lumetri effect i’ll use a 3rd layer.

if i understand it conceptually, this should allow me to resume editing native .mts without down-converting or needing to go outside ppcc.

[Wolf Lawrence]

both my machines are set to “software only” and both exhibit the issue. i started a thread on the experience but suspect you are editing native .mts and doing some level of color correction on it. perhaps you can share what video effects/plugins you’re using when you saw this lag.

[Wolf Lawrence]

i had to pull my post to its own thread now that i figured out what it was in my case. new thread is called: extreme choppy laggy stuttery sputtery jittery preview playback at 1/4 resolutions and 25% size when multicam editing native .mts https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/3/959718

[Wolf Lawrence]

my droverland crash came with multiple oddities in parallel:

+ apps like task mgr stopped responding
+ i saw a neatvideo plugin error log itself in popup cmd window
+ i saw multiple Pr processes running in task mgr each claiming 800-900MB of memory

the droverland crash was the best early warning alert that ppcc cant handle native .mts editing as well as adobe purports it can; once i started adding basic video effects i.e. color correction, matching, motion fx, plugins, etc, these choked the .mts project.

[Wolf Lawrence]

indeed that was it. not enough heads/tails on the neighboring clip. thanks.