Tony West
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[Walter Soyka] “But I don’t think enough people have thought the ABE method through “
So you just can’t imagine somebody looking at this and not agreeing with YOU. They must not be thinking right.
[Walter Soyka] “or heaven forbid, actually tried it!”
Have YOU tried it?
[Walter Soyka] ” yet a number of folks have been very quick to do just that with Simon’s NLE-agnostic approach.”
I just asked people to explain how it’s more efficient then using the browser. If they feel it’s not, they can just say that.
[Walter Soyka] “Consider ABE with the same open-mindedness that you needed to adopt FCPX in the first place “
I didn’t like X at first, until I found it was more efficient than the way I was working before. Maybe this way could be.
Are you working this way on docs Walter” If so how long have you been doing it?
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[Michael Hancock] “I know which NLE you use. ☺”
Maybe next time go ahead a skip this part then “Which NLE are you using?” : )
[Michael Hancock] “My comment was more to illustrate how Avid and Premiere seem more adept at the stringout method because of FCPXs handling of sequences. “
Probably because if you are using X the way it was designed to be used you wouldn’t need string-outs.
[Michael Hancock] “It’s less than ideal”
Have you cut a doc using this method as a director or producer?
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[Michael Hancock] “Which NLE are you using?”
You must not have scrolled back to read my post if you are asking : ) That’s OK
[Michael Hancock] “Have you tried Simon’s method?”
I’m using a string-outt right now on a multi-cam interview but I’m keeping most of the material so it makes since.
In cutting something where you are using only say, 10 percent of the source material it makes less sense to me.
[Michael Hancock] “In FCPX you load the original stringout, toggle to it, find the clip you want and copy it, the toggle back and paste it.”
Now for me, that’s not more efficient than what I explained above in this thread but if it is for you, then keep doing it.
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[Michael Hancock] “”I duplicated that sequence five times to make sequences of all the material for each woman. Then I made duplicates of those duplicates and began removing everything I didn’t want.”
You string everything out, then duplicate your sequence. Cut away. If you need to go back to a clip, you open the original string out and grab it.”
I’m glad you posted that Michael because when I saw that section in the article it became really clear that it wouldn’t be more efficient.
Now that you have gotten this far go ahead and explain how that method would be more efficient than the two clicks to see the shot I want, as I posted in here earlier in the thread.
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[Oliver Peters] “Where the communications break down in this discussion is that the folks that advocate for only X’s approach don’t want to acknowledge that others have also been using X for 6 years and come to a different conclusion. That’s why it’s unproductive to frame this as an X versus others discussion.
“That’s exactly what it is.
The debate breaks down right across NLE lines and anybody that can’t see that is not being truthful.
All the same people who use X as their favorite tool are against and folks who don’t are for. Simple as that.
I just don’t happen to think that’s a coincidence.
BTW you still haven’t answered my simple question. What is the method to find the clips that you cut out of the timeline? Just explain it. It shouldn’t be that hard since you supposedly use this method all the time.
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[Walter Soyka] “In reading the comments here, I wonder if the majority of the posters in this thread have missed Simon’s point entirely. It’s right in the title: Always Be Editing. “
Has it occurred to you that they don’t feel his method is effective?
The organizational tools in X are so effective it’s hard to make an argument against them, so the case becomes………oh, just by pass those tools and dump everything into timelines, (arguable taking away a key strength X)
No thanks
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[greg janza] “[Tim Wilson] “This isn’t about NLE choices. It’s about editing style.”
Amen Tim! I think several of us here have been trying (without much success) to make that same distinction in this discussion thread.”
I think the reason you have not been successful is because some are saying that “X” makes this “editing style” irrelevant. Just by the nature of how it works.
The task is to convince people otherwise and so far that’s been a fail.
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[Oliver Peters] “That’s a really grown up way to have a discussion.
“I think it’s more grown up than you twisting yourself into a pretzel to try to find a hole in X’s swing.
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[Tim Wilson] “This statement is saying, if you are not editing this way you are not a Frame-accurate editor. Or, in other words your doing it wrong.
”A) To be precise, you’re quoting me quoting Simon, and I wouldn’t actually have said it that way, and B) it’s not saying that at all.
“Go ahead and feel free to explain what it is saying then, instead of what it isn’t saying.
[Tim Wilson] “[Tony West] “How would you find that clip, since you never bothered to organize anything in the bin or browser.”
Who said that? I said I never organized FIRST. Did you think that when I deleted something from the timeline that I threw it away? Deleted the footage from my drives? No, of course not. When I deleted it from the timeline, I put it where everybody throws things away: the bin. “
Did you see me write that you threw it away?
First of all, I took this quote right out of his article
“The very first thing I did after importing the source material was to grab it all and put it on a timeline”
He didn’t say, the first thing I did was organize it and then put it in the timeline.
At no point in the article did I see him write about organizing source material in a bin or browser so to me the whole point was he was using a string-out to organize instead.
So my question remains, did he organize in the browser AND in the timeline, or just the timeline and if it’s just the timeline walk me through the process of finding shots in the bin that he did not organize.
His example was he had 4 hours of source material and through it all in timelines. That worked for him. I had 45 hours of just interviews, that’s not counting broll, pictures, documents and other source material.
[Tim Wilson] “Additive, or subtractive?”
It depends on the project and how much of the source material is gong to remain.
I just never heard of anybody putting say, 45 hours of interviews into a timeline. I’m going to go ahead and say it…..It just sounds made up to me.
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[Tim Wilson] “If you’re “editing in the Browser” (or in Bins), you’re simply not going to be making the kind of frame-accurate and value-laden edits that I am making every single time with this method. “
This statement is saying, if you are not editing this way you are not a Frame-accurate editor. Or, in other words your doing it wrong.
I guess my main question with this approach is, what if after you get done cutting clips away you want a certain clip back. Say the producer or director liked a shot that he decided to cut away and wanted it back.
How would you find that clip, since you never bothered to organize anything in the bin or browser.“The very first thing I did after importing the source material was to grab it all and put it on a timeline”