Tim Kolb
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There is an effect where you can knock out every color but one if the item is one color…I don’t have PPro in front of me right now and I can’t think of what it’s called…
If the item is more than one color, then the suggested green screen key is an option, otherwise this woul typically be done with a matte that isoltes the item that stays in color while the footage runs full screen with the black an white effect behind it.
This sort of procedural matte would best be accomplished in After Effects however…
TimK,
Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
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[Eric Jurgenson] “But we gotta go NOW, baby. Because our Edits and Media100s are dead, and HD is knockin’ on the door, and SD’s got about 2 years to live. So pardon me if I offer up a few lines of encouragement. Besides, I DO think it would be a smart business move for Adobe.”
Eric,
Just so we’re clear, I’m a professional editor myself and I feel your pain. I also don’t have a problem OR an argument with any of the suggestions you, or anyone else has made in this thread. I have no doubt I’d “like” all of these features and could use them easily. I’ve even lobbied hard myself for many of them and will continue to do so.
However, I’m trying to present the idea that if a feature you or anyone else wants doen’t make it in, it’s not because Adobe doesn’t care about it or has made some sort of concious decision to exclude it. There’s just simply so MANY requests that it would be five years before the next update to engineer and test all of them. That is my sole point.
On the “we gotta go NOW baby”… I have two NuBus Media 100s in a closet that can relink media better than PPro 1.5.1… I have conveyed your exact sentiment (if not those exact words) several times in PPro’s existence. I couldn’t agree with your assesment of the state of competition and the industry more…
Basically I think we all agree on what we need in large part. It’s just that I’m somewhat familiar with the earthly constraints on the development process and I’m trying to lay those out as well.
So keep askin’ and I’ll keep adding to my list…I do pass it along to the people who need it.
TimK,
Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
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[Eric Jurgenson] “It might be all over by then.”
Man, I am SO glad we can all keep a sense of humor about this…
TimK,
Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net -
[David Cherniack] “I believe that the professional users pretty well want, more or less, the same features simply because that’s what they need to do their work without clumsy workarounds. You can insist that’s not true all you want but their voices speak differently in the various threads here and elsewhere.”
Interesting…the threads concerning wish lists on this forum seem to illustrate the opposite to me. I see what I think are all professional users calling for many of the same features, but the priority each user has does vary wildly…
Media Management,
Networked workflow,
dual mono audio (a personal favorite of mine…I’m amazed this hasn’t caused an even louder outcry…)
More traditional bin management
Hot keys for everything, or at least macro capability
Time Remapping
Cut removalThe list goes on and on and a few of my personal hangups are the issue with not being able to do a standard 3 point edit with the source only having an out-point, scopes two-clicks deep in a menu, asset re-linking is still inferior to my Media 100-in 1995 that it drives me nuts…
But for nearly every poster on this forum who has posted a feature that “everyone can agree on is critical”…some other poster chimes in and says “Sure that’s fine, but not until they fix/get/add *this other* feature…”
As I’ve said before, I’m not saying “Stop asking”…I’m saying “Be aware of the cacophony that you’re a part of…and don’t think that if the feature you want isn’t in there, that Adobe isn’t listening.”
However, if there is a lack of a feature that makes PPro simply less useful to you than another system, I completely understand the necessity of switching. This isn’t a religon…it’s a tool.
TimK,
Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
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[Les Kaye] “However changes in our profession occur with ever increasing frequency, and with ever diminishing prices. I’m just not so sure that Avid will prove nimble enough to move with them. Followers generally never are. This was the case with CMX, LaserEdit, Convergence, Ediflex, Moviola, Steenbeck, Kem, et al – all leaders who are now footnotes… Not that I’m suggesting this of Avid.”
I think other than my making some positive assumptions based on the input of others, you and I are pretty much seeing things the same way…
TimK,
Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net -
[Les Kaye] “[Tim Kolb] “there were more units sold of Premiere than every other NLE”
Two things:
it’s rather difficult to consider it a “sale” if it’s being given away for free with a hardware board. Second, you also need to qualify that this was at a time when almost all professional NLE software was at least 10k-50k+ just to start, and Premiere could be had for $300-500.00 – when it was actually being purchased.This was sort of my point. I was responding to the implication that Premiere was wasting time foing after the “broadcast market” when they should have been pursuing the “prosumer”…my point is that you can hardly post these sorts of unit numbers without aggressively going after the middle to lower level user…
[Tim Kolb] “Does Avid allow you to edit audio on a video timeline”
Yes[Tim Kolb] “but to slide it in increments of an audio sample?”
Unless something has changed, no. However this can be done in FCP and I believe in Edition & Vegas.These two are one question of mine. I was making the point that there are a few features on other systems that trump the Avid toolset.
[Tim Kolb] “As far as Avid being antiquated…well, its editing and media management tools are second to none”
Hyperbole. I think you’d get quite an argument about Avid’s editorial workflow strengths at a number of different COW forums. It certainly has some powerful and mature features, but it’s also hobbled by a very antiquated design – it’s no longer “second to none” by a long shot. As for media management, yes, Avid’s consolidate feature is the most mature in any NLE. However for actually managing clips, it’s a bear and totally antiquated, with discreet edit and others (Lightworks would be another) far more flexible.Interesting…so I’m cutting Avid too much slack here? I’ve not spent much time with an Avid at all save for trying to use one long enough in 1995 to end up going another direction, but all I hear from Avid guys is how terrible the media management is in PPro and how fantastic it is in Avid…is FCP any better? I don’t usually figure in systems that are no longer made into these comparisons…
[Tim Kolb] “Avid has its traditional advantages intact”
This is about the least true thing one can say at this point:”Well…maybe I was cutting Avid too much slack again. There are a lot of Avid guys who are looking for a change and I think many of us are interested in what those users find valuable in their Avids, other than not learning a new system…
As I said is several areas of my post that you did not quote, Avid waited far too long to realize that their lofty perch atop the NLE world was being eaten out from under them. There was too much resting on their laurels and their pricing until one day they realized that FCP and Discreet and any number of other players (including Adobe) were taking away sales, getting customers to even open up to consider another system based on pricing many times…
Avid was one of the key players in making computer-based video editing practical and just as I don’t believe they are, or honestly ever will be positioned to move back to their old dominant position in the marketplace, I also don’t believe they’ll fade away anytime soon…
TimK,
Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
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[Dave Friend] “[R. Hewitt] “Once Apple moves over to the Intel platform, FCP will be in for a very big suprise from Avid.”
I’m not sure what you are saying with this comment. Please expand. Thanks”
I assume he means that somehow FCP editors will prefer to move to Avid once Macs run on Intel…I’m not sure why as such a large part of FCP users have left Avid for various reasons…maybe Avid will suddenly restructure its pricing?
TimK,
Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net -
[R. Hewitt] “While I would love to see Adobe dominate, they will never topple Avid.
Avid has a massive user base including nearly all the major broadcasters world-wide (and more are signing up), major film makers and their image processing companies, colleges (get the students early) and many thousands of TV news companies… the list goes on.
Adobe lost the chance to dominate a long time ago by aiming for the professional market that Avid had already won. Wrong market. They should have put their investment into the growing semi-pro/home market.
I’m not saying that PPro isn’t up to full professional use but rather there are serious workflow issues with the application and the audio handling is done in a way that no full time professional would ever use.
As for Avid systems being: top-heavy expensive infrastructure built on an antique foundation. That’s very far from the truth as any professional using the application will tell you. They’re not cheap admitedly but no decent, reliable software is.”
…while I respect Avid’s products and the work they did to establish the entire NLE concept, I’m not sure I agree with your vision of the future.
I remember not so many NABs ago when their was a lot of concern that Avid’s time might be running out (and I have only attended NAB with exhibitors, not as a general attendee, so this was industry people talking…not that that is anything earth-shattering. but you have to admit that the stretch before the last couple of product introductions such as Nitris, Adrenaline and Mojo was kind of a more-of-the-same time for Avid, while everyone else was coming gunning for them).
My anecdotal experience sees FCP much more popular with schools than Avid.
I don’t quite see how Adobe *didn’t* go after the professional/prosumer market with Premiere…it was OEM’d with everything under the sun, at one point either with Premiere 6 or 6.5, there were more units sold of Premiere than every other NLE, hardware or software, combined I was told (by a source I would trust on the subject.)
PPro’s lack of dual mono audio is definitely a problem, but there are a few of us with some credentials who find the program able to meet our needs… 🙂 The audio handling in PPro overall is actually excellent. Does Avid allow you to edit audio on a video timeline, but to slide it in increments of an audio sample? (I’m asking…I don’t know.) At the time of PPro’s release, I don’t think it was by the reaction of professionals I was demoing for in those days…
As far as Avid being antiquated…well, its editing and media management tools are second to none…but historically Avid’s inability to import or export a wide variation of filetypes has been an issue to those outside the braodcast arena where output back to tape was the main workflow. They have also had challenges adapting to pricing pressure as their first attempts at lower end systems resulted in products that Avid editors didn’t even like and the Avid toolset that should have made the systems a shoe-in with the mid-range professional was severely truncated to preserve the value proposition for the higher-end customer.
Avid has its traditional advantages intact, but with the demands on the professional non-broadcast editor changing, causing them to weigh the “peripheral” non-editing core features more heavily in purchase decisions, combining with the broadcast market representing a smaller part of the total pie with each passing year (also broadcasters being the slowest to upgrade physical plant…), Avid doesn’t really have the market dominance that it once had, and while they have their sweet spots where they still own the landscape, they will have to get out some big guns to keep the invaders back…
TimK,
Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net -
[Eric Jurgenson] “By increasing the frequency of their updates, Adobe could make more money. Pro users wouldn’t mind paying a couple of hundred bucks every six months or so.”
Yikes… If there is one thing I’ve learned during my tenure with PPro…it’s that NO individual user speaks for the entire user-base…or even a significant part of it. As Steven recalls, Adobe took all kind of abuse for releasing PPro 1.5 as quickly as they did…and users were commenting on how Adobe was just back emptying their wallets again.
Premiere Pro is a piece of software that is expected to…and is attempting to…do everything for everybody. With the release of Premiere Elements at least the pressure is off for PPro to be usable at the basic level and they can start to move up a bit.
Bottom line is that anyone who contends they know what Ppro users in general, want…is speaking for themselves and whatever fraction of users find themselves in duplicate circumstances…and it’s always a smaller fraction of the whole than one might think.
TimK,
Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net -
[Hector] “I would not be hurry to see a new version if not will bring to us what would be waiting for. What’s the parameters the developers follow to make new upgrades??
I never see a poll asking for “wishes” in the new comings… or may be go upscale for what Vegas/FC is showing… or what???
I have a list of “will like to see” in next versions but how I contact the designers?… What stand up in this PC editors like PP is the integration with others progs like Bluff Titler, After Effects, 3D Album and so on and the DVD authorizing must be.
Now, when the Adobe people will bring us the oportunnity to participate in future upgrades of Premiere??”
The feature request mechanism on the Adobe site has been in effect as long as I’ve been using the software…
https://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html
Adobe does take considerable amounts of user input from a wide cross section of users to develop their products…
As far as “what editors like”…well that’s a discussion we had below rather extensively. What “each” editor likes appears to vary by quite a margin…
TimK,
Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net