[Steve Bockey]

Thanks for your quick reply! Im learning so much from the creative cow forum and It seems like for every question I solve/answer, I have 5 more questions that come up. Im really enjoying the journey of diving in and learning this process (although sometimes I admit, I wish i could focus more on creative as opposed to tech, codecs, & compatibility issues across programs/software) 🙂

your post pointed me towards a bunch of things to try to learn how to do. im really happy to get this direction from you. You opened up a few ways to think about the roundtrip issues ive been having for sure!

I am positive that once i dive into this a bit more, i may have some additional questions (but i will hold off on them for now). I will probably follow up with those questions at a later date.

For now, a few do come to mind.

1) you said that once i export to resolve i should be ready to export my final product direct from resolve is that correct? you stated that there is no reason to roundtrip back to premiere (and dynamic link to after effects). but, suppose i want to add a complicated title (maybe with tracking), If i burned that in prior to sending to resolve then my color grade would be applied to the titler as well (ie: i have a white text in the clip, I push the clips highlights toward the yellow side a bit and now the text looks yellow and not white). What am i missing here? Am i understanding you correct?

2) Id like to delete cineform studio from my workfolw but there are a few tools that I would miss…..
you said “However, you should try and find a way to have pro tune applied to the clips before transcoding to any other format, since it is far superior for grading.” I imagine you mean the protune Metadata LUT you can apply in cineform Studio? How would you suggest i do that outside of cineform studio? Is there a Protune LUT I can download somewhere that I can apply in PPro or Resolve? …or would i transcode my footage to cineform with protune added and then take all those clips and transcode them again to DNxHD (or DPX) in resolve or premiere, and then begin to use those newly transcoded DNxHD (or DPX) clips to begin cutting in my Premiere Pro timeline? Any suggestion would be helpful as I do appreciate having protune applied (to taste) to help balance out my source files (sometimes i apply protune preset to t3I footage as well becuase for the right scenes, it actually really gives a good starting point when added to the technicolor cinestyle picture style).

Thanks again for your reply and sharing your knowledge on this topic. I look forward to the day when I wrap my head around all this so much that I can pay it forward and contribute to this forum in a constructive and pragmatic manner.

~Steve

[Steve Bockey]

Thanks Nick!

I have a couple of questions. I shoot on a canon 600D and a Go-Pro hero 3+ black. My workflow will consist of Cineform studio, PPro, Resolve 10 (to my understanding, now supporting Go Pro studio AVI files…something they did not support in version 9) & sometimes After effects when needed. My current thoughts on workflow are to:

* = there is a question i have for you in this step 🙂

1. import all footage (600D & gopro) and convert to Cineform AVI Codec.

2) edit my clips, use nesting sequences to twixtor variable frame rates into a 24p timeline (23.976). Also, Push in on 2.7K footage where applicable.

My questions:
*3) I WANT TO “BAKE IN” the non xml friendly footage at this time (including nested sequences) but I am not sure what that means exactly? (Im a bit of a noob). Can you help me here? Do you mean export just those clips using the same file name and a format that is lossless? Is this any different (quality wise) than exporting your sequence and having resolve then auto detect the clips? Can you elaborate on “bake in” as it pertains to files in premiere pro? If i will need to choose a settings to “bake in” the effects, what is the most lossless one?

*4) I will then export xml to reslove. Can you elaborate on “creating a condensed version of your project” prior to this step? How Is This done in PPro? it sounds like a time saver!

*5. Usually, at this point Ill open the xml in resolve and begin color grading (ill usually have to fix sizing, and various other xml issues, then color the footage. But your method seem to point to my being able to get grading right away! is that correct?

*6. At this point I export to final cut xml and then export a new xml file for roundtrip back to premiere. Do You have a good lossless format to export these graded clips in? Im not sure what the best format to retain image quality will be for the gopro footage and t3i (remember, the grade will have been done to Cineform AVI files I first created in Cineform Studio)

*7. You said “When you are done, render out your new clips with the FCP Roundtrip preset in whatever codec you want and then export out an XML from Resolve.” What codec would you recommend? now that you know my source files, my cineform avi files they have been transcoded to (cineform, avi). Note: I have a pro membershiop to vimeo and my footage will be posted in 24fps (or 30fps) at 1920×1080. I dont upload much and final product file size is not an issue for me. I just want the most visually stunning material that also wont get screwed up by vimeo when they compress it (most of my work is only 5mins-10mins long).

8. I know how to Import the xml back to PPro.. as you said, ill then “Import the new Resolve XML into Premiere and your timeline w/ graded clips will import. I need to get back to ppro (and not just export out of resolve at this point) because at this stage I will add neat video denoise (i only own it in ppro). Usually I will add some shapening as well. If need be, Ill use adobe dynamic link to do After effects work prior to exporting from pPro (via Adobe media Encoder).

FYI:
-Resolve lite wont work with anything over 1080P (or a bit larger). so my gopro 2.7K files need to have pan effect, resized/pushed in/croped and stabilized prior to getting to after effects. Otherwise, resolve will re-size it to 1080 (problem here: say i want to stabilize footage and have to zoom in a bit, I just lost quality where I wouldnt if I was working in 2.7K in a 1080 project.)

-I know you may ask why am i putting 600d footage into cineform avi along with my gopro footage. I like coding it this way because my system seems to like it better (when working in premiere pro) and I also enjoy the metadata White balance and protune settings that i can alter in cineform studio and will show up in my clip imediately when in Premiere pro (I havent tried this yet but I am hoping that Resolve will read that metadata as well and I will be able to start with the protune log I sometime apply to my gopro footage when in cineform studio). Do you know if it will?

Thanks in advance for considering to assist me with wrapping my head around all of this!

~Steve
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