Rory Hinds
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well I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree, building a computer to run a piece of software is not rocket science, sure there are people out there that need help and by all means make money off them but don’t force the people that do know to spend a very large amount on an over price PC
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Hey Joshua
Building a Linux system is just like building any other PC system. Yes you need to know what you’re doing but many people do and I find it crazy to be forced to have to purchase it through a 3rd party.
Why not give the end user, the one who is paying and using the system, the option?
With BM policy of forcing you to spend $35k with a Reseller you’re basically not changing anything.
Come on this industry needs a shake up and you can easily do this by offering the reseller route as an option.If someone wants to build their own then they should be able to. If they need reseller assistance then I’m sure they will pay for it but why force it on us?
If I were a large company with a huge shared storage and many rooms then sure, I’d hire a reseller to come install and get everything working… but these days more and more independents are stepping up to bat and the industry is changing like that… Look at what RED have done and are continuing to do.
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yes that would be the sensible option but it seems BM has some deal to protect its resellers who before were making hundreds’ of thousands of dollars when Davinci owned it but now that BM have dropped the price things have changed and I’m guess the resellers are not to happy about loosing the golden cow they had.
You can’t purchase the Linux software alone. Not sure why BM advertises it for $19,999.
You have to purchase the Linux software, panel and you have to buy it as a system from a reseller which the lowest cost is $85kRory Hinds
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Hi Joseph
I was referring to a +-$45k Mac setup which would be Resolve, Panels and Mac and storage.
Which if fitted with the right cards will give you the same performance if not better at a lower price than the single GPU version of the Linux version which sells for $85k.My point being the $35k they are charging for a single GPU PC is just crazy.
Regardless of what it used to cost, its what it costs now and what else is in the market.All this talk about BM recouping their money by charging more for the Linux version is just retarded, for a start BM charge $20k for the license then $30k for the control panel… so the other $35k is going to the reseller.
I estimate the PC costing around $12k so thats $23k to the reseller.
No I don’t have a problem paying for a service I need and that has value… but come on $23k.When I was talking to the reseller they came off quite rude with a “don’t question me about my pricing” type attitude… my stand is I’m spending the money and have a right to understand what I’m being charged for.
From what I can tell the Linux version only comes into its own when you have at least 4 GPU’s in the Quadro Plex and with its current pricing the $20k advertised at NAB is just a marketing ploy with no mention of the hidden costs… and I really don’t like hidden costs , which I’m sure I’m not alone in.
I think my point that Black Magic really have a change to do something amazing here and there is a market too but having hidden costs just annoys people and this is not about making it cheap, its about making the price justifiable and avoiding middle men.
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Thanks for the info Jens.
So basically for $85k you get what the Mac version give you expect you can later upgrade to more GPU’s at a cost. i was quoted $110k for a 4 GPU system.
Does seem rather crazy high when you compare the 2 single GPU systems, one being on Mac and the other being on Linux.
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infiniband is a Linux thing though and not unique to Resolve.
When I asked a reseller all they would say is “its very different” but wouldn’t tell me what which makes me think its a “don’t ask us about our pricing” type of cover.
I was quoted $85k which is $50 for the License and Panel and thats $35k for a PC with one GPU and no storage.
Thats pretty price for a basic PC which would cost around $7k
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what do you mean “more complexed linux product”?
The Mac version is the same as the Linux version expect Linux allows for cluster computing and SLI plus can use the Quadro Plex… it just allows for more options and isn’t a complete rewrite.Sorry I just think clocking the Linux in with resellers is crazy.
What if I want to move up to Linux from the Mac version but I don’t need a cluster and only need one machine working with SLI, why should I have to pay a reseller for a machine that is easy to build myself for a lot less?
To me it seems a marketing ploy… advertise Resolve for $19k and get everyone talking about it but in fact its a lot more cause you have to buy a “system” from a middle man.
What if Apple brought out a machine that supported SLI and Quadro Plex as well as clustering… would BMG restrict the use of the hardware and force people to purchase a separate “pro” version which we’d have to purchase through a reseller as a “system”
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Hey Joshua
Thanks for you feed back, I hope I didn’t come across rude.
I get you stand point but as an end user and someone who can build a the same system for a fraction of the cost a reseller would sell one to me, I find it a hard pill to swallow.
Sure Resellers can build, install and train but what about the large amount of people out there that don’t need that service and don’t want to pay for it.
I can see the need for large company who don’t know any better and just want the system up and running but for the independent who knows a thing or two about building a system “right” its a waste of much needed money that needs to be spent else where.
But restricting the Linux version to resellers selling a turnkey system you’re forcing us to purchase a service we don’t need.
After all its just a spec’ed out PC with hard drives and some software running.
Its not rocket science and well to me at least, the days of magic box in the corner that you didn’t understand are over. Standard off the shelf computing has surpassed the Silicon Graphics days and in todays market people need to save money and that means doing things ourselves.So I’ve bought the Mac version for $1k. get working and then move up to buying the Resolve panel for $30k… my work increases and want more speed but instead of paying $19k for the software I know have to pay someone to build a PC for me and charge me for installing it.
Thats crazy
What about the fact that I live in a remote area, 3 hours from a large city that is not that large anyways… what happens then? I have to pay for the reseller to come out to me and install the machine.. but I can plug in a few cables and configure the software.I don’t know to me this move is a step backward in what is a great step forward with the Mac version.
Cut out the middle man and have it as an option so if you need help you can call on a reseller.
I know you wanting to look after your resellers, but hey, why penalise your enduser in the process.Rory Hinds
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Hey Joshua
Sorry I don’t buy that.
Its pretty easy to build a PC to a very high spec these days, all it takes is knowing what you are doing, like everything.
If you don’t know what you’re doing then sure go get someone to build it and test it for you.
There are many Mac’s out there with many different graphics cards, hard drives etc so its strange that BM would open up the Mac version and not allow people the same on the Linux.
What when people have learnt on the Mac version then want to grow into the Linus version, they then have to pay someone to build a machine for them… seem a bit crazy in this day and age where you’ve made to pay for a service you don’t actually need.
Resolve has its requirements, wether its Linux or Mac. By publishing those requirements people can then source and build their own system, which would save money as they can reuse equipment they already have and the don’t have to pay for someone to do it for them.
What none public items would the Linux version need?
There are a lot of educated people out there that don’t need a reseller to do things for them. Some know a lot more than resellers and it does seem that its an unnecessary middle man when you know what you’re doing.
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fxphd has a Davinci course in their vault which costs $100
https://www.fxphd.comRory Hinds
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