Ron Shook
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David,
My, my, looks like someone is looking to purchase a new Sony HD XDCAM camcorder. Good for you, but don’t make the mistake of assuming that this will be the next BetaSP. If there’s one thing that I’m pretty positive about, it’s that we don’t know what will come out in the wash over the next few years, and that I’m gonna still get a lot of use out of my BetaSP kit. (g)
[David Battistella] “How do you handle out of town clients who might be getting on an aircraft at the end of a shooting day?”
Not easily, that’s for sure. It can be done, but getting that sort of client to accept a commodity hard drive, rather than a tape would be a steep uphill battle, that might not be winnable.
[David Battistella] “What will you do with your P2 cards when removable media disk based cameras (ieHD XDCAM) become the widespread standard?”
What standard and for how long? Anyone in their right mind knows that solid state memory with no moving parts is the future of on-location media production. It may not, probably won’t be, P2, as the solid state memory capability grows in capacity and shrinks in price, but any way you look at it, it’s simply a matter of when and how much the technology advances, and we’re talkin’ a few years, not decades.
[David Battistella] “It’s [P2] on it’s last legs so they pushed it out to their consumer customers to squeeze the last bit of money out of it. P2 is the new M2 NOT the new Betacam.”
P2 as a proprietary technology is probably a new M2, but HD XDCAM is even more so. The IT commodity technology cat is out of the bag and spitting on all proprietary technology that attempts to replace VTRs with further proprietary devices with hundreds of percent markups, whether its P2 or HD XDCAM quasi VTRs or other I/O devices.
My guess is that we have yet to see the “new Betacam,” if we ever do, and that if and when we do, It’ll evolve into something that we can purchase at the local drug store like a phone card, along with our drugs. (g)
Ron Shook
PS. Had enough of dueling codecs? See if we don’t hear plenty of talk about the open source MJPEG2000 codec at NAB this year, along with full MXF implementation by both our production and post-production tools.
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David,
[XDavid] “I would like to try on Adobe Premier Pro 2.0 but then i get confused about another version Adobe Premier 6.5.”
After Premiere 6.5, Premiere was nearly completely rewritten, it became Premiere Pro and the version numbers were restarted at 1, so for all intents and purposes Premiere Pro 2 is by extention, Premiere 8. But don’t call it that or you will confuse someone else. (g) Premiere Pro 2 is oodles more accomplished than Premiere 6.5 (although you can always find someone to disagree on these forums.) A ground up rewrite and 3+ more years of development makes a big difference.
Ron Shook
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[ken adolph] “This remapping does work for all clips with the same audio when you multi select them in the bin.”
Whew!!!
Ron
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Tim,
[Tim Kolb] “In the circumstance you describe, I would probably first try to nest the timeline in another timeline and cut the master clip…which would maintain your mix. Whle I understand that is far from ideal as there are transitional issues, etc, at the moment, that’s what can be done.”
I can’t say as I quite follow this, but…, I’d like to ask Shane if this would solve, perhaps at the expense of a little extra time, “Ever work with a producer and they say “The mix is perfect, just move that 2 minutes of the show from the middle to the end”?
I do follow your basic argument perfectly, and for what it’s worth, the value of “the ability to change out a music bed without setting all the cues to duck under narration again is really a timesaver.” I’ve definitely had clients do that to me, which was pretty difficult in edit*. (g) Vegas has a 3rd party scripting program that ducks the bed automatically. (gg) Ain’t competition fun?
Thanks,
Ron Shook
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Ken & Shane,
[ken adolph] “I found it and yes you can’t apply this to all the clips in the bin. This makes it almost useless.”
Jacob said on this thread, “You cannot run a batch process, but as long as all the captured clips have the same captured audio settings, you can select all the clips and execute the same remap on the ones selected.”
I assume that audio remapping must also be turned on, whatever that means. Test this out. If it doesn’t work, I’m gonna go Cherniak Ballistic. (g) Drilling down 4 layers of menu to do this on each clip is impossible.
Ron
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Brian,
[Brian SaenzDeViteri] “Are there any other mentions of this from other reviewers or beta testers?”
It’s the first and only time I’ve heard of any such thing. I’m afraid David and Larry are right, Charlie goofed.
Ron Shook
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Jacob,
[Jacob Rosenberg] “The only way to make an offline version after capturing would be manually export the file into the format you wanted.”
Hmmm? I’m just reading Charlie White’s review of PPro2 and he states, “Also strengthening Adobe
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David,
[David Battistella] “I fail to understand the reasoning in your post. Why is the Cineporter more interesting than a Firestore? The capacity is the same and they will both record directly from the camera which is only capable of putting out a MAX 1080 DCVPRO HD codec”
I suspect that since the Cineporter records from the P2 rather than the Firewire port that Toke presumes that it’ll be able to record every format that a P2 Card can, which the Firewire connection can’t do. We’ll see whether that presumption is correct or not over time.
Ron Shook
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Jacob,
[Jacob Rosenberg] “DVCPro 50 and DVCPro HD are going to be supported by Matrox with Axio.”
They already are. The real question is whether the MXF wrapped P2 files from the P2 cards or Firestore and the like will be supported natively, or if the MXF data must be stripped from the files, like FCP and Avid, and the DVCPro files ingested like FCP (Avid has a cludge that enables them to store the MXF data in the Avid database and edit native-like from the cards.) Do you know anything about the Matrox approach? Only Edius can currently handle MXF (P2 or Sony IMX) truly native from from their source media.
If Matrox can break the MXF boundaries perhaps they can supply a 3rd party plugin for PPro to work natively with P2 and DVCPro files of whatever stripe? Just speculating.
Ron Shook
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Jacob,
[Jacob Rosenberg] “Hope that helps.”
Yes, very much!
[Jacob Rosenberg] “Once you make your choice on a master clip, does this follow into any subclips you might make from the master clip?
You must turn on the Remapping before you edit with the clips and then all subsequent children of the master will adhere to the settings.”
Great! As long as there is a way to do it. If I forget to turn on remapping, it’s on my head.
[Jacob Rosenberg] “If the workflow on a particular project calls for scene detection during capturing and you want every clip from a source tape or file to be mono channels on the timeline, is there any way to batch this after capture or import of clips or do you have to change every clip separately?
You cannot run a batch process, but as long as all the captured clips have the same captured audio settings, you can select all the clips and execute the same remap on the ones selected.”
Good, if I follow you correctly, I would call that a batch process of sorts and just the sort of thing I’m looking for. Not that this is the sort of procedures that I’m used to, but it sounds quite workable. with the increased knowledge, I’m now up to seeing the audio handling as 65-90% fixed. (g) It’ll never get to 100% without the ability to legacy capture or import with 2 discrete mono tracks, but it seems fairly quick and easy to make the changes after the capture or import, except for the lack of mappable keystrokes once in the remapping dialog.
Like Mike, I’m still wondering about the panning. If you capture or import with a stereo setting, I assume that ch1/left is panned full left and ch2/right is panned full right? If you change the mapping to stereo-mono and get two discreet channels is the panning centered on these 2 channels as it should be to start working with them?
We’re doin’ OK. No major disappointments and some admiration in this audio arena…so far.
Ron Shook