[Ron Lindeboom]

It loaded very fast for me and the site is straightforward and clearly lays out what it is there for.

Best regards,

Ronald Lindeboom
CEO, Creative COW LLC

Creativity is a process wherein the student and the teacher are located in the same individual.

[Ron Lindeboom]

Elementor works with most themes but I would recommend that you check with them on your particular theme. I do not remember seeing Saturn on the list.

Since you mention easy to use, you might want to take a look at Brizy, which I believe is the easiest to use pagebuilder in the world of WordPress.

The plug-ins work inside WordPress and so you should have no issues there, as they are not contingent upon Elementor.

Best regards,

Ronald Lindeboom
CEO, Creative COW LLC

Creativity is a process wherein the student and the teacher are located in the same individual.

[Ron Lindeboom]

I’d recommend WordPress as Joomla is a dead-end at this point and Wix is far too limited and locks you into their system. There are many hosting services that will load WordPress for you and even give you an SSL certificate for your site, included in the base cost. Siteground.com is a great hosting service if you choose to go with WordPress.

Best regards,

Ronald Lindeboom
CEO, Creative COW LLC

Creativity is a process wherein the student and the teacher are located in the same individual.

[Ron Lindeboom]

I’ve never figured it out but I’d like to follow this thread in case anyone knows a way.

Best regards,

Ronald Lindeboom
CEO, Creative COW LLC

Creativity is a process wherein the student and the teacher are located in the same individual.

[Ron Lindeboom]

There will be no perfect name, just as the existing name has been far from perfect. Anything will be a compromise and so I am going to leave it up to you guys to come up with a name that you can live with.

That said, the existing name or anything that includes it, is off the table. Only the word “debate” is up for inclusion.

Best regards,

Ronald Lindeboom
CEO, Creative COW LLC

Creativity is a process wherein the student and the teacher are located in the same individual.

[Ron Lindeboom]

Thank you for the vote of confidence, Oliver. It is appreciated.

Best regards,

Ronald Lindeboom
CEO, Creative COW LLC

Creativity is a process wherein the student and the teacher are located in the same individual.

[Ron Lindeboom]

Lastly, I knew saying anything on this forum was going to turn into a shitstorm and you did not let me down. But if people want to argue, trust me, I will indeed draw a line in the sand and once crossed, that will be the end of things. I will rebuild this site from scratch if I have to, I have done it twice before and I will do it again — they say the third time’s the charm and I am willing to see if that’s true.

I asked that people listen to the REAL problem (which you are ignoring still even though I have clearly elaborated it) and come up with a solution that does not involve having the words Apple Final Cut Pro X in the title. Keep arguing that those words are to be kept here and they will be the line in the sand that causes this forum’s removal.

Come up with whatever name you want that makes sense to you but the words Apple Final Cut Pro X are not going to be in the title in the days ahead.

Best regards,

Ronald Lindeboom
CEO, Creative COW LLC

Creativity is a process wherein the student and the teacher are located in the same individual.

[Ron Lindeboom]

Andrew, you were EXPRESSLY told what the problem is and I do not play by the same rulebook that Tim uses. When I came back, I came back to a pile of negativity and ugliness that I am hoping to curtail one way or another. If you continue to be argumentative (and try to put words in my mouth again) instead of actually listening to what I am saying about the problem and possible ways to solve it, then you are going to make my decision that much easier.

I have merely said that whatever name has been tossed out, it has been shot down here and it isn’t me doing the shooting down — all I care about is losing the Apple Final Cut Pro X in the title because it does NOT fit, however you may reason it in your own mind. But if you wish to persist, I do not care about losing this forum once and for all, just as I turned off the Discreet Edit forum long ago basically for the same reasons.

While Tim sees the traffic count and thinks that is good, I see the aftermath and the negativity that ensues in the wake of some of what goes on here — especially with women who tell me they find the behavior here onerous and off-putting.

Ignore my words, do not listen to them, and justify the boys club however you like. But in the end, I will do what is best for the COW for the years ahead and if that means pulling the plug on people who are more concerned about proving themselves to be intellectually superior and who insist upon being proven right at all costs — well, let me be clear that I really am unimpressed.

To go back to your opener, “No, the title was exactly what the forum was and is primarily about; a place to debate the merits of X compared to other NLEs. The only time there was confusion is when people saw “Apple Final Cut Pro X” in the title, skipped over the “debate” part and just assumed it was another, run of the mill fan forum.”

Therein lies the rub and the reason why I want to change the name. You just made my case for me and if you don’t see that, you really need to learn a thing or three about marketing and the psychology of marketing conventions. In a marketing war, perception is everything and when a name is seen one way and is off-putting to many, then it’s time to change it whether you understand why or not.

Best regards,

Ronald Lindeboom
CEO, Creative COW LLC

Creativity is a process wherein the student and the teacher are located in the same individual.

[Ron Lindeboom]

People that don’t listen are a pet peeve of mine, Steve. You are fine, my words were not directed at you and I hope you know that. And yes, I am angry that almost no one listened to what I said about the issue and problem at hand and instead want to prattle on about philosophy and other nebulous things.

Best regards,

Ronald Lindeboom
CEO, Creative COW LLC

Creativity is a process wherein the student and the teacher are located in the same individual.

[Ron Lindeboom]

So condensed down to its essence, what you are saying is that somehow a community grew under a title that bears little resemblance to anything that it became but somehow its unrelatedness is now so important that it should be protected in its sacrosense. I am baffled at the obstinance and the defensiveness of something that clearly has had far less to do with a title than it has had to do with a group’s willingness to go far beyond whatever constraints a title implied — yet somehow you are now unwilling or unable to cross that line again? Wow, Boomie shakes his head here in incredulity.

Please feel free to ignore the fact that this forum by its name has had a totally negative effect on Creative COW because people come into here expecting it to have something to do with Apple Final Cut Pro X and yet it is often little if anything to do with it at this point in time. Ignore that all you want and justify whatever defence of curmudgeonly obstinance you may care to wrestle with, but the name is going to be dropped and that is a given.

I really do not care if you guys like me or not, it has never been high on my list of priorities. This place would have died long ago had that been one of my driving forces. When I came back after being gone for six years, the wheels were falling off and many things were needing fixing — one of those things was NOT a mechanical issue. It arose from all the complaints and emails we get about people who treat others horribly. Those complaints nearly always point to this forum. It is a public relations cancer that has earned the COW the reputation of being an ugly place filled with ugly people. I am fine with people finding and participating in this forum if it is what they expect and they come willing to take part in it. I have no issues in that because I actually think this group has some wonderful discussions. I prefer to save it. Do you want to help me or just act like a bunch of dicks??? Tim Wilson would tell you that at this point, the COW is nearly 50% women but you’d never know it reading the forums. Why? Because they tell us they are afraid to interact with the ugliness that often ensues in the COW. They grab their answers and they go. You can be proud of yourselves, boys.

Are you willing to listen yet??? Are you ready to help solve the problem we have??? Or do I just make the problem go away??? The ball is in your court.

Best regards,

Ronald Lindeboom
CEO, Creative COW LLC