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[Walter Soyka] “Robin suggested above that the difference with such a system was thousands of dollars versus a few clicks. I wonder if that’s overly reductive.”
I actually wrote nearly the same functionality. What certain functionality is worth to the individual is for the individual to decide. Simply for ME and the people I work for and with it’s imply not an option, be it financially or (most of all) practically. The pros simply don’t outweigh the cons, regardless of price. That’s just the last nail in the coffin.
[Walter Soyka] “The fact that Media Composer just works, whether you’re one user, two users, or a dozen users, is also more powerful in practice than it is theory.”
I find that to be a rather ironic statement in light of the fact that, except for one, every Avid was just recently removed entirely from our school (after something like 10+ years), because the sys admins deemed them far too unstable and support hungry overall in comparison to FCP and Premiere. Especially since they didn’t dare install either of the latter on the same machine, making it completely unfeasible to just maintain single machines that couldn’t be used for anything else. It’s been removed from the curriculum as well. YMMV.
– RK
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[Walter Soyka] “In all seriousness, what are your machine specs?”
All current gen 5K iMacs. We have various other Macs also btw, some even 8+ years old and running great. AND editing.
It’s one of two schools. University of applied sciences.
[Walter Soyka] “Do you use a low-spec itty-bitty laptop for editorial or would you seriously recommend it?”
I think you’re confusing two entirely different, unrelated posts of mine. But, yes, I do in fact use a MacBook Pro for editing. In fact exclusively until recently.
[Walter Soyka] “You did notice Steve’s smiley, right?”
Well, MINE are clearly not always interpreted correctly either. 😉 Coulda been a “just kidding” or a “know what I mean?”. I guess I went for the wrong one. Ah well. My bad. 🙂
– RK
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[Michael Hancock] “What type of sharing options and media management capabilities is it providing?”
This is by far the most comprehensive (and best presented) demo that I know of, even if (obviously) he doesn’t cover everything (and it’s an older version):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeWsIQQIwOc
– RK
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[Steve Connor] “Apart from an overly expensive Mac :)”
So I take it you missed this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnapaZYD2cU
You know of course which of the two is in fact more expensive, right? Oh, and STILL doesn’t deliver the needed performance. Hmmm… how does that work out to an “overly expensive Mac“? 😀
– RK
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[Andrew Kimery] “I might be reading too much into your choice of the word “if”, but in the examples I’ve mentioned there is no “if sharing is needed”. “
I was not talking about your example, no. I can hardly speak for that. In my case that amount of sharing isn’t needed, since mainly individual, single-person projects are produced. But again, even when it is needed, I think the minor amount of additional “effort” (if that what a few clicks actually represent for anyone) to have nearly the same result, only for tens if not hundreds of thousands of $$ less, it’s a small (huge) price to (not) pay. 🙂
We are also using Keyflow Pro btw., which even introduces a whole other level of sharing options and media management that no other NLE that I know of and use or have used can offer.
But aside from all that, I think one needs to first and foremost keep in mind that we’re not even talking about STANDARD features or options in Avid, but we are with FCP X. So really it’s not even a reasonable comparison to begin with. Without all the additional, massively expensive soft and hardware, Avid’s sharing capabilities are no better than anyone else’s. Unless I missed something since I last used it (v6?).
[Andrew Kimery] “And the inverse is also true. I know many people that like the background processing and metadata-centric tools in X but they didn’t want to put up with the rest…”
Yes. But we are/were talking specifically about collaborative editing, which I think is one of those things that will be much more of a deciding factor in more cases than just some metadata or background processing. So if, as I described, you’re not needing to abandon an entire workflow but rather just have to adjust it a little and maybe give up on some smaller “nice to have” options AND are saving massive amounts on a whole welter of costly additions just to get there at the same time, then…
But hey, if one has that kind of cash to burn and the work to make it profitable in the end, great! I just don’t believe the percentage of those businesses will ever even get close to a full one percent of the market. If anything it will get that much less as other NLEs start providing real alternative workflows. In which case I really have to wonder what e.g. Avid is going to be left with, since that is the only niche they have left that is actually making any money. We’ll see.
[Andrew Kimery] “Though I’ve yet to hear anyone try to roll out FCP X at a facility that does a lot of highly collaborative work like reality TV shows. “
Ronny beat me to that one. 🙂
– RK
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[Andrew Kimery] “Do I wish PPro was more like Avid in terms of multi-user collaboration? Yes. Do I wish I was working on Avid instead of PPro on this project? No. “
I was just going to point to the part in the article where he says “When classic FCP went EOL the Post Production department at RTS had the choice of going back to Avid, which was a prospect that no-one here was truly excited about…“.
So better/superior collaborative editing or not, if no one wants to put up with the rest, there’s little good that that will do you.
We have a 12 machine FCP X suite btw, and if sharing is needed then current edits are simply copied to a joint library on the Xsan, which also just simply needs to be reloaded to get the most current version. Even if there is no “live” updating. MEDIA can be shared at will either way. So really if a simple reload or a few more clicks are worth a 5-6 digit $ amount to you, I see no reason why FCP X shouldn’t be an (obvious) option for those scenarios. I have yet to hear anyone complain. Even if it could be even MORE convenient, as always, sure. We’ll see what the future brings.
– RK
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[Greg Jones] “I think ‘Pro’ software is any software that can be used to make money, period. “
Then maybe more along the lines of “Not suited for a ‘pro’ environment/workflow!” over which has been ranted endlessly here? In which case I hope you’d agree that apps such as IMovie or Windows Movie Maker are in fact not suited for. Meaning in terms of things such as passing off for mixing on a DAW etc. as described in the article. So it’s not quite as cut’n’dry. 😉
– RK
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On a completely OT note: you need some sort of separator between your posts and your signature. I’m always stumbling over the signature thinking “What does that have to do with… oooooh, riiiight…” 😉
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ON-T: had already seen it and yes you’re right that their criteria for choosing X is very telling I’d say. Good for them! 🙂
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Perhaps. 😉
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Did you set build in/out markers accordingly in Motion?
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