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[Oliver Peters] “… without thinking it’s all about you?”
Damn. You’re right. My bad.
Just so my egomaniacal self doesn’t make the same blunder again, for future reference: exactly which Robin are you talking about when you say “contrary to what Robin said”? Would hate to make the same obvious mistake twice. :-/
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[Charlie Austin] “it sounds like what you get when you directly import fcpxml into Logic.”
Agreed. Just about the only time I have ever seen anything that looked even vaguely like what was described. But with X2Pro… never once. Not even amongst the hundreds of teenagers that I teach that had a mere five minute intro to the X2Pro workflow years ago. Unless maybe they only got the LE version that doesn’t allow for (nearly) any of the roles management.
I also don’t see what isn’t covered in here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce2wgL5x1ww
that couldn’t provide supposed 15+ people more than enough information to figure out such a painfully simple app. Sorry for having a really hard time buying that. Oh well.
– RK
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Superb demo at fcpxchange btw Charlie. Very entertaining and concise. A couple of nice little things I hadn’t noticed before, such as the moving-multiple-clips-at-once thing. Always fun to know. 🙂
– RK
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[Oliver Peters] “And contrary to what Robin said, AAFs are not equal. “
Oh, so you’re saying that said AAF’s would not import identically in either? Because whilst trying so terribly hard to trip me up all the time, Oliver, you might at least try to actually read what I wrote and not what you apparently want me to have written to save yourself some typing. Because I said “The AAF” not “An AAF”… there’s that little difference. Oops. Referring to the AAF that comes out of X2Pro. I’m quite aware that there are variations on the format as a whole, yes, thanks.
Better luck next time.
– RK
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[Mike Warmels] “Well, I don’t make the AAF’s myself.”
Sorry, but then how exactly can you go so far and “confidently” point the finger at X2Pro or FCP for that matter, with a straight face, when you can’t even know if it’s even being used correctly? Very odd to say the least. But I think I get it now.
[Mike Warmels] “And if you want to discover something new, try FCPX. Or AVID. Or Premiere… “
Right. Like I said, now I’m getting it. More and more with each post.
– RK
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[Mike Warmels] “I’d show what our AAF’s look like from X2Pro…”
No one is doubting that it’s not working for you. The question is, why is it demonstrably working brilliantly for everyone else?
[Mike Warmels] “I don’t know any sound editors that work on Logic. It’s either ProTools or Nuendo.”
Oh please. That’s a completely irrelevant straw man. The AAF is an AAF and It will be structured and look exactly the same in either.
And I’m still eagerly waiting for that faster i.e. at least equally efficient swapping of two clips plus audio in FCP 7 you spoke of. No? I’m always up to discovering something new.
– RK
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I would literally love to see anyone do what Tom does at the 30:00 mark the way he does it and at even vaguely the same speed, in any other NLE. Where he doesn’t even waste so much as a second on thinking about his audio/audio design whilst madly whittling down his timeline, but STILL it’s all exactly the way it should be in the end. Certainly in FCP 7… not a snowball’s chance.
And once again, at 34:25… perfect AAF export via X2Pro. With him getting an email later from the audio guy saying had never gotten such a clean audio layout (AAF) before. Go figure.
So if isn’t workin’ for you… hmmm.
– RK
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[Mike Warmels] “People say: you’re not using it right, show or tell me how and then I see video’s like that or their advice and… that’s EXACTLY how I am using it.”
There is no way I or any other external person could possibly say what the issue could be, considering the near endless variables that play into something like that. But the mere fact that you say yourself that others can apparently easily show you that whatever it is you have an issue with ISN’T an issue (with them, hence their advice) kinda tells you that it clearly can’t be FCP by itself, no? At least to me that seems pretty logical. And I don’t see anyone claiming that you couldn’t possibly be having any issues, but rather that it’s not happening with them or someone they know. Do you not have competent local support? Correlation is not causation. Simply deducing that since it isn’t happening with Avid, that somehow it clearly can only be FCP and nothing else, is picking very low hanging fruit. If what you describe WERE in fact some sort of typical, classic, FCP related issue(s), you’d see more people chiming in concurrence, no? (which somehow I know will now of course happen) At least I don’t recall seeing any, as opposed to the opposite. So again… what is the logical, objective alternative for you going to be, other than “FCP is buggy” if those issues are apparently not reproducible elsewhere?
[Mike Warmels] “I just used a different, faster trick than in that clip”
Then you most definitely need to let me in on the secret. Because I not only used legacy FCP for 10 years, but also trained it for five and there is absolutely nothing that I can conjure up that could be even REMOTELY “faster”. Feel free to use the clip as an example and tell us what you would have done differently to make the comparison even so much as a TIE. I’d really love to know, since I clearly missed something very essential for 10+ years!
[Mike Warmels] “the waveform in the browser doesn’t match the music or sound when you get to the end of the track”
That’s in fact a bug, yes. Or rather a result of how the waveforms are currently generated and then displayed. Just like in the timeline, one “resolution” of the waveform will be used to display it at certain zoom levels before it needs to be re-rendered for another zoom level to show the size and detail relative to that. If you happen to have scaled to somewhere right on the verge of two display sizes, you can get that discrepancy, yes. I’ve had that a few times, too. But aside from being a slight “cognitive dissonance” I hardly found it very problematic. And slightly resizing in the one or other direction, vertically or horizontally fixed it from there on in anyway. We’ll see when and if they address that in a future update.
[Mike Warmels] “some things are kinda stupid (like the constant opening and closing of clips (CTRL-S) before you make do a split edit”
So I guess I can only assume you see little value in the concept of clips being collapsible as a whole? Since in that case you can simply choose “Expand all Clips” and leave it that way. Done. Of course if you DO see value in it, then I don’t actually see how you can logically avoid having to do that one way or the other, since it serves an obvious and overall very helpful purpose. In which case you might simply try a DOUBLE-CLICK on the audio as opposed to the comparatively much more tedious and superfluous shortcut, yes. Unless of course you didn’t even know of that option to begin with?
– RK
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[Oliver Peters] “[Robin S. Kurz] “”Little” things like the way audio is displayed,”
Except that the display isn’t inaccurate.”
If you actually watched the video, then we could be talking about the same thing. His example, the one I was referencing, had nothing to do with the timeline.
[Oliver Peters] “I hope you are joking…”
Nope. I described it elsewhere. And never mind that I wrote MAY. If your experience differs, great.
– RK
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[Mike Warmels] “I am gaining experience, exchange experiences with a lot of editors, but for some reason I fail to see the greatness of FCPX.”
Charlie, as a highly experienced editor on all the major NLEs sitting in L.A., therefore having first hand knowledge of what he’s talking about in actual context, has a few great pointers. Showing big, but, most importantly imho, even a few seemingly “trivial” things that are not on any feature list, but make your life SO much easier. “Little” things like the way audio is displayed, simply changing the position of multiple clips at a time, realtime preview of filters and so on and so on. A long list of things that in and of themselves are nothing impressive, but put together make that HUGE difference for me (and many others) in the ability to continue thinking about my WORK unobstructed and not constantly my APP.
Of course whether you see that, disagree or whether his points pose any tangible difference to YOU is a whole, as they very much do for him and myself, different story. YM, as always, MV. Oh well. Horses for courses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPNbf98CBGE
And then there are things like THIS that, for me, are the epitome of what is so brilliant about X’s overall approach, specifically the MT…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRZgVZd9UmQ
[Mike Warmels] “I just have a stand alone set on which I run AVID and FCPX”
That particular dual install, from my experience, being the root of all issues we’ve had in the past. May very well apply to you as well.
[Mike Warmels] “I can imagine certain situation where you don’t want ripple effects on roles.”
I wouldn’t EVER want that. Certainly not by default. Do a multi-lingual, multi-national edit some day, and you’ll quickly realize why. That would seriously mess things up. I find it obvious and logical how and why they did it the way they did. But if that OPTION was added for whoever needed it, sure, why not.
– RK
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