[Richie Tovell]

Thanks, I don’t often use this plugin, must have missed that one.

[Richie Tovell]

Thanks kevin.

It’s really cool of you to help me out, it’s way beyond me, I can still always import renders from the other apps (audio also) but any footage composed in these apps (when they work) is still effectivly “locked” to it’s original state, ie it can not be adjusted whilst working on the comp in AE to any large extent, I’m really against bouncing footage around like this as well, it’s a bit of a hang up I have I guess but no biggie.

If it isn’t possible then I can still fall back on this way of working, but it would be really cool to find a way to do this in AE, I thought perhaps it might reqire a plugin, but I’m willing to give any expressions a shot if you have the time to work on them 😉

I really appreciate your help.

Regards Richie.

[Richie Tovell]

Thanks.

It doesn’t look possible in AE even with an expression, I guess it would take some kind of plugin to do it but that’s probably not goinng to happen anytime soon.

These live video apps are so tempramental but they have so much potential.
It’s odd, capturing live “user” input for the purpose of composing has been a priority in audio apps for many many years now, but we’re only just starting to see it happening in video, though all the live apps are still in very early stages of development and still prone to a lot of problems.

To me the whole industrie looks like it’s going through massive change but AE seems to be falling behind (much as I hate to say it) for example the new collection of free frame plugins – amaizing 3D effects that are designed to be used live, they have zero loading time!!! no wiating for previews is needed at all, it’s all instant, half of these effects blow the Adobe stuff right out of the water, but they’re not supported by AE. . . as yet.

Anyway, slight rant there sorry , I shouldn’t knock AE, it’s still one of my favorite apps of all time 😉

Regards Richie.

[Richie Tovell]

Thats a shame, thanks for trying though.

The problem I have is the apps I’m using take a lot of time to configure and are very tempramental, there’s a lot of latency, they drop frames, there’s jitter that needs to be tidied up and the app doesn’t always render out footage propperly, also having to bounce footage between apps is far from ideal.

It probably looks more complex than it is, there’s one clip and one loop with automated loop start and end points, simple really lol. seriously though I’m sure I couldn’t put something like this together using expressions either, I know nothing about them but I think it’s possible, AE has has assignable sliders and time remapping, I just have no idea how to configure them 🙁

[Richie Tovell]

Michael, does this help? it shows a lot more clearly how the clip was put together.

Lights 2 from ni-cad on Vimeo.

[Richie Tovell]

Hi Dan, thanks for replying.

I’ve recorded whats happening in the two apps that I used, hopefully this will help explain the methods used better than me confusing everyone with my discription, you can hear and see there are problems with the midi this is why I want to work just in the one app, automating the composition would be preferable to the live controlling that I’m doing here.

Would it be possible to add two sliders in to your expression, that could then be keyframed? I’m not sure but I think that using markers is going to be too complicated, maybe I’m wrong, but anyway here’s the vid, it should make things clearer.

Lights 2 from ni-cad on Vimeo.

[Richie Tovell]

I understand what your saying Michael, but it’s just not done that way, I created the clip, I didn’t do any slicing at all, it’s created using just 1 clip, with (Physical) rotary controls assigned to the loop in and out points.

I don’t know how I can explain this, ok I’m going to make another video showing the process. . . . give me about an hour.

[Richie Tovell]

Oh cool, thanks Roland 🙂 sounds like it’s well worth giving them a shot, I’ll post the question over there and see what they say.

[Richie Tovell]

The pitching of the audiio is actually a bit of an illusion, the clips audio is not speeding up or changing pitch, only the rate at which the clip is being played back is increasing, the audio content stays exactly at it’s orriginal pitch, the “percieved” rise in pitch is an artifact caused by the length of the waveforms becomming cropped shorter and shorter until there are only very thin slices of the original waveform remaining, which then play in faster succession.

I don’t have a problem with the audio, the problem is: it can’t be done by increasing the speed or pitch of a loop and to manually cut each slice would take hours, I’ve counted them and there’s over 100 slices, you can count them yourselfe by looking at the peaks in the audio waveform bellow, imagine each spike here needs it’s own accompanying clip. . .

Click on the image and you can see where the loops become shorter and longer again in much greater detail.

[Richie Tovell]

I’m not trying to be hostile, sorry if it’s come accross that way, I really do need help finding a way of creating this effect in a proffesional app.

I’m not trying to knock AE really, this is the sort of thing that I think it would excel at and I imagined it would be quite possible. I would still describe this kind of looping as an effect, though it is actually is editing.