[Mitch Ives]

[Jeremy Garchow] “Mitch, are you saying that all this might happen in……December?

;)”

Yes Jeremy, I’m willing to go out on a limb here and say yes, definitely December… 🙂

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Marcus Moore] “So the question is why do you think this shipping delay is being enforced by Apple? Is there proof the delay is being motivated by them?”

The plot thickens… the local Mac professional video dealer just sent out an email saying that there will be an event on Dec 10th, with Apple in attendance, showing the new Mac Pro and discussing price, configs and availability.

Hmmm… thats the same date I got for shipping the arrays. Coincidence? Perhaps… perhaps not

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

Another example of Tim’s thoughtful and delicate approach to this forum. Sorry you had to be the Grown Up here Tim…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Marcus Moore] “So the question is why do you think this shipping delay is being enforced by Apple? Is there proof the delay is being motivated by them?”

I have spoken to two sources, both of which have units ready to ship, but cannot ship them yet. When pressed, they told me why. That’s pretty clear to me.

As we all know, no sane person would have a product in stock ready to ship and then not ship it. That’s the whole reason for being in business. You have to have a pretty good reason not to try and recoup your (substantial) investment and up front costs. For many businesses, this would involve borrowing money and paying interest. So why would you wait one minute longer than necessary?

The only good reason, is that someone who you consider to be a valuable business partner (or customer) has enough influence that when they ask you (or tell you) not to, you feel compelled to comply.

FWIW, the newest date for release of these arrays is December 10th… perhaps that’s the magic day for the MacPro to ship, which would make many of you happy…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Andy Branner] “Yepp. Pretty much my point. But then… I’m not very smart.”

It would appear that you’re learning… except your spelling still needs work.

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Marcus Moore] “Hold on- Apple is already selling TB2 devices. Both the 13 and 15″ rMBP come with TB2 ports.

That doesn’t make any sense.”

Seriously? My post wasn’t clear? I’m not talking about Apple equipment, I’m talking about third parties.

And for the record, I agree with you “this doesn’t make sense”… and Apple shouldn’t be doing that…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Jeremy Garchow] “Isn’t Thunderbolt intel’s baby?”

That’s always been my contention, but somehow Apple’s in the middle of this.

My array was available and set to ship, and then it was suddenly pulled back. Under pressure, they were very open about why I can’t have it yet. In a word… Apple. They keep giving me dates that they get from Apple, but those dates keep getting pushed back. Meanwhile, the arrays are being used at events to show them, under strict control by the company.

There’s a lot we don’t know. What we do know is:

1) that the company would like to start collecting money, since they’re seriously out of pocket on startup investment…

2) I would like to have the damn thing and get some work done so I can collect some money…

3) and Apple won’t let it ship…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Mark Dobson] “Helmut, not being able to get what you can’t get because it isn’t there for you to get it even though you want it badly isn’t going to get you what you want when you want it because you simply can’t have it because it just isn’t available, not just for you, but for all the other people who are also waiting for something they’ve been waiting for for a long time.”

Here’s my issue. It isn’t with Apple and when they can deliver the new Mac Pro. It’s their baby and they get to release it whenever they want to.

No, my problem is with the influence (read interference) that they engage in with third party suppliers. I have a use for a new TB disk array… that need is here now (actually, it’s been here for over a month). Given that TB2 is the new interface and is really a requirement for the Mac Pro if you want to get all its performance, it makes sense at this point to buy a TB2 disk array… especially since they are backwards compatible with the original TB.

The new TB2 arrays have been available for shipment for some time now. By available, I mean they are in the warehouse sitting in boxes (collecting dust)… and not on my desk. Why is that? Because Apple won’t allow these third party suppliers to sell anything with TB2 until Apple says so… since TB2 is their baby. We can only assume that their approval for the release of non-Apple equipment will come when the Mac Pro ships. I say “assume” because Apple can’t possibly give us any other explanation for blocking the shipment of equipment that can be used today, regardless of when the Mac Pro ships.

Once again, the marketing and message hype equation gets in the way of what is best for the consumer. What damn difference does it make if I’m using a TB2 array on a slower TB1 interface and getting some work done while I wait for Apple to release the Mac Pro so I can finally get the full benefit? None… absolutely none, except that the customer would come first over Apple’s perceived “splash” factor.

Honestly, sometimes Apple acts like Sony… the company we all love to hate.

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

Nice catch guys…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Jeremy Garchow] “but it’s so boxy!”

The embarrassing part will be when someone tries to insert a USB stick into it, thinking it’s the CPU… meanwhile the other guy is pouring a beverage into the fan of your MacPro thinking it’s an aluminum beverage holder…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill