[Mitch Ives]

[Walter Soyka] “Not that 1 GB/s isn’t fast… but fast storage for a big finishing system today is 6 GB/s or more. You can hit about 5 GB/s in a Z840 with an internal RAID of 16 SSDs.”

It could be faster… I’m only using 6 drives. Sixteen would make a huge difference. In addition, SSD’s would definitely speed things up dramatically.

[Walter Soyka] “Of course, not everyone needs that kind of speed, but the fact remains that there is simply no way to get it on the nMP.”

Why do they need to be internal? The external RAIDs I’m seeing are making huge numbers.

For balance, you should tell everyone what a 16 SSD RAID cost? Be prepared to pass out people…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Alan Okey] “Has your older tower been upgraded to this configuration?

https://barefeats.com/tube16.html“

I upgraded the video card to the very recent, but not duals.

[Alan Okey] “Thunderbolt is not a panacea. OS X doesn’t support external GPUs, and Thunderbolt 2 is a bottleneck for GPU processing when compared with PCIe bandwidth. While it’s true that Thunderbolt 3 will raise the bandwidth, the PCIe spec isn’t standing still, and will leapfrog Thunderbolt 3.”

You’d have to prove that to me. I’ve been using RAIDs longer than most people have been in this business, and I’ve never had a RAID that matches these TB2 models…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Tom Sefton] “Yeah the g tech ones go much much faster but we have them set at raid 6 at the moment. When we had them at raid 0 it was way over 1000mb/s”

I should have been more clear… we’re getting over 1000 in RAID 5, not RAID 0…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Herb Sevush] “It is a statement of fact. The Mac Pro allowed for a wider variety of workflows – want your raid storage internal? – no problem. Want your choice of GPUs? – no problem. Want dual Xeons – can do. Want to upgrade any of these elements 3 years from now when the technology changes? – no problem.

Open is always more flexible than closed which is why the old MacPro was such an unusual product for Apple. With the nMP they have reverted to form – wonderful product that has limited customization. Works great for an Iphone, not as much for a workstation, IMO.”

I almost never upgrade machines. In three years there are other improvements besides what you list. Faster front and backside busses… faster ram busses. PC guys never got that. Shoving a 500 horse engine into a chassis that is old never works. The transmission and brakes can’t handle it. Better off to get a car designed for it.

FWIW, fastest RAID I’ve owned to date is the external TB2 models. Just saying. By the time the next MP shows up, I will have already made several times it’s cost. Hell, I already have. I also love the quiet of both the nMP and the TB2 RAIDS. Hell, they’re on the desks now, they’re so quiet. Of course the rooms are cooler too. I’ve got machines closer together than ever before… something you can’t do with the other choices.

[Herb Sevush] “I would offer glee as opposed to desperation, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As for where this comes from – the demise of the Ipod classic I should think.”

LOL… and don’t get me started on the iPod Classic! It’s the only iPod large enough to hold my iTunes library. Glad I snapped one up at the last minute… 🙂

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Herb Sevush] “[Mitch Ives] “EVERYTHING under Adobe CC is faster…”

Faster than what … ?? Definitely not faster than the latest PCs with nvidia cards.”

Faster than the old Mac Pro. That IS what the article was about, right Herb? If you want to start another thread comparing the nMP to the PC when running CC, then do so… but that is NOT what this article is about, is it Herb?

[Herb Sevush] “As I have said elsewhere the nMP is a wonderful machine as long as it fits your current workflow. This demographic is, by design, smaller than the one that the old MP was suited for.”

That’s a very condescending position. But, I guess you’re the arbiter for determining what fits what workflow?

[Herb Sevush] “[Mitch Ives] “Herb, was your mother killed by a falling nMP?”

Taking no offense, I would suggest that if you continue to flippantly use this phrase when posting you will inevitably embarrass yourself.”

Taking no offense either, Herb, every one of your posts in this thread smacks of a desperation for this article to be true. I was simply trying to ascertain where this bias against the nMP comes from, since there is no rational for it.

This post would have been lot more useful if people who actually HAVE the nMP commented, especially those that have both the new and the old… while those who don’t have a nMP refrained from positing an unqualified opinion… but then that’s just me I’m sure…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Herb Sevush] “… If you don’t mind living in a morass of cables and external boxes
… If you don’t mind having a system with absolutely zero upgrade capability
… If you never have to edit with software other than FCPX”

Ahhh… I have less cables than I used…

Why do I need upgradeability… and who says you can’t?

EVERYTHING under Adobe CC is faster…

Herb, was your mother killed by a falling nMP?

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Tom Sefton] “It’s an 8core 64GB RAM with D700s. Media is stored on a G-tech Studio XL via thunderbolt 2 that read/writes at more than 840MB/s.”

Same here, but our Pegasus R6 does high 9’s… before El Capitan. Better now…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Herb Sevush] “I am just shocked to learn that everything I thought about the Trash Can when it was first announced turns out to be true. The only thing Pro about the nMP is the price. “

Wrong Herb…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

I think they need a drug testing policy over there. I have both the machines they mention and there is no comparison. The nMP kicks the S#@t out of the old tower… everywhere. Rendering, timeline movement, export. Seriously… can anybody just post crap now?

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

Yes, TB2 is noticeably faster than TB1. That’s why we waited on the latest RAID’s…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill