[Mitch Ives]

[Tim Wilson] “This forum was NEVER about usable information. I was always shocked at the amount of usable information here. LOL Entirely by accident, and never our intent. This is a DEBATE forum.”

That may have been the design (hard to imagine), but I also find it full of useful information. That’s why I visit it daily. The names on this forum are some real long-time members, like myself. I’ve been here since virtually the beginning (according to Ron), and I’m here because there are a lot of “qualified opinions” here.

I count you in that Tim… 😉

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Bret Williams] “If Motion really is built into FCP X, then it shouldn’t be bloat at all. Its just accessing features that are already there.”

Well said…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Bill Davis] “It’s been all over the major FCP X sites for the past week.

As much as I love the debate here,, this forum has a bit of a reputation for trashing X, so the eyeballs of the active FCP X user community have largely moved elsewhere. “

Ouch! So I guess this isn’t a major FCP X site, then?

I don’t believe the second part… I think the eyeballs are looking in all the same places that they have since day one…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

Keyframing in color correction filter is bloat? Seriously, Bill… you’re losing credibility.

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

I asked for that the day FCP X was first released… and have mentioned it EVERY single time somebody makes a list. If Apple thought it was important, we’d have gotten it by now…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Walter Soyka] “May I ask why?”

First, I would never argue that FCP X get tracks back. I am, in the interest of full disclosure, not a track hater. I have projects where tracks make things easier than the magnetic timeline. One of the reasons I’m looking at R11. Still, I’ve never advocated that Apple add them to FCP X. That die was cast.

Second, I don’t buy into your logic that it’s the subscription model that results in those things you treasure. Not arguing with you, just not agreeing.

Third, I notice you didn’t respond to my question about the missing off-ramp? In fairness, neither does Adobe. I understand why… it’s a no-win situation.

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Walter Soyka] “A non-CC subscriber asking for perpetual licenses back is like a non-FCPX user asking for tracks back. If you do it, you damage what made CC/FCPX unique and valuable to its paying customers in the first place.”

With all due respect Walter (and I mean that sincerely), I think that’s a bit of a stretch…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Walter Soyka] “I feel about perpetual licenses the way you feel about tracks. It turns out that while we thought they were necessary to get work done, there are some unique advantages in different models.”

Wow… I wish I could be that kind. For me (disclaimer), the number one solid proof that they don’t listen to their customers is that they shove the subscription model down your throat. Anything else they do, doesn’t offset that.

Have they added the permanent off ramp yet… or is it still like the mob? If you ever try and leave, do you have any way of ever opening up your existing projects? If not, they still aren’t listening, wouldn’t you say? At the very minimum, they should provide for that. Hopefully, you’ll tell me that they have?

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Charlie Austin] “huh? There are timeline operations that should be more efficient sure, what do you feel you can’t do? I use the inspector for things like text adjustments, effects controls, color controls etc. Things I’d need to open a panel/tab for in other NLE’s. The issue (IMO) with the inspector is that it’s always updating in real time which, depending on your project, sometimes bogs down. I’d imagine Apple is aware of this, and in practice it’s more of an annoyance than a “problem”. There are plenty of annoying things in Pr and MC as well. FCP 7 is, of course, perfect. ;-)”

Jeez Charlie, how about the things that have already been discussed in this thread?

BTW, Charlie… who gets to decide when something crosses the threshold from Annoying to a Problem? It sounds like you might have given yourself that duty… 🙂

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

Bill, I think you might have fallen into your own trap. After reading your post several times, I think it could be argued that you might be accepting a glass half full.

Anybody who reads this forum on a regular basis, gets the notion that if a feature isn’t needed by you, then it isn’t important.

I just think a lot of us disagree. You love the database, and probably couldn’t live without it. I’ll bet there are plenty of people here who don’t use it to the extent that you do, and might not see it as critically important… but I don’t hear anybody suggesting that because it isn’t a critical feature to them, that it’s not important?

I’m happy for you that the kinds of projects you do, and the the things you need to do them are already in FCP X. You should consider yourself lucky, because it’s clear that a lot of people are in a different boat.

I’ll close by saying that even though your position with Apple has grown since FCP X’s release, you might want to consider the source. Remember Steve was a major evangelist and WAS the Apple in-house Trainer for many years. My point is… if a major Apple Evangelist like Steve thinks that FCP X is missing some crucial things, you might want to think about “getting on it”. Steve has a history and a reputation of not being difficult. When he says things like this, it sure as hell gets my attention. I wonder if it will get Apple’s?

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill