Mitch Ives
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[Bill Davis] ” If you didn’t listen to the naysayers and have real pro experience, they have clients with needs right now. FWIW”
Seriously? I find that offensive. I guess if we were a naysayer, then we don’t have pro experience. Wow…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Oliver Peters] “From a purely monetary point-of-view, if you look at most (if not all) of the subscription models, the cost is actually lower to subscribe than to purchase and do annual upgrades. Usually the dollars are somewhat even by the 5th or 6th year.”
Oliver, I have to disagree with the one about cost, because it was never the case here at my company. Perhaps it is cheaper for others, though?
Upgrading the Adobe suite used to cost us around $299-$399, depending on their offer. I would tend to do it (or not do it) at NAB each year after seeing what the changes were. In the case of Adobe, it wasn’t an annual thing, because first, updates didn’t come every year. Second, a lot of updates were bug fixes and features that I didn’t need… so I didn’t update every year. In fact, on average it was around every other year. That meant it was on average $150-200 each year per machine. Under the new program it’s $600 each and every year, period. That’s not cheaper, that’s 3 times as expensive.
I’m sorry to hear that people are having issues with FCP 7. All my old installations work fine.
I get the part about having a license, and not owning software. The difference is in the past, my license in perpetual. Under the subscription model it’s annual. Not to go all lawyer on you, but thats a huge difference.
By upheaval, do mean like the one when they killed 7 and gave us FCP X? If so, I think we can all survive that.
Anytime a company wants more development dollars, all they have to do is give us a product we want. It really is that simple. Prior to CC it was on Adobe to deliver something first. Under CC it’s like a government contract… they want to be paid for their efforts, not their results.
As to compatibility with other people, like a lot of others, we’ve discovered it’s not a problem, as there are solutions to that. Many were developed in the past because we were always on newer versions than our clients. Reversing that process hasn’t been hard.
I don’t disagree with your position, I just see the edges as a bit more ragged… and I totally understand the regional thing. It’s some of those products that are popular in Europe that I eventually found and liked enough to acquire…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Mark Snow] “All in all I think, FCPX is on a good track.”
No pun intended, right?
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Oliver Peters] “While I agree with this sentiment, it’s a bit ironic to post that in an FCP X forum. Your Apple software is pretty much under Apple’s control. Especially anything that you got through the App Store. They can and have made things obsolete in the past and could do so again in the future. Sometimes with good reason, such as security concerns. Your only guarantee against that is to not update your OS and to disconnect from the internet. It really just boils down to which company you are willing to trust and who is the least of the possible evils.”
Oliver, I see your point, but I also see a difference. It’s true Shake and Color were made obsolete, but Color was free and Shake was cheap, like $299… one time, not ongoing. In addition, even if Apple was to suddenly update and obsolete a version of FCP X, I’d be looking at a one-time cost of $299. Or I could keep the old one (and an old OS if necessary) for as long as I want, like we have with FCP Legacy. So far that hasn’t happened with X. But when it does, I’m still in charge, because I can choose not to update it… and I can still open all my existing projects with the old version… anytime I want to.
In the case of Adobe, it’s a minimum of $360/year… year in and year out… graduating up to $600 year in and year out. Even if you just go with Photoshop, it’s $120/ year forever. And as someone will point out if I don’t, it’s like joining the mob… once you’re in, you can never leave… not if you ever want to open up something you made during the time you were paying all that “tribute” money.
So, I see a really huge difference there, but perhaps I’m just splitting hairs?
Adobe has a right to do what they want. In software, when you add valuable features, people tend to be willing to pay to get them. When updates don’t really add things people see as valuable, then they tend not to upgrade. Not happy with that arrangement, Adobe felt they saw an opportunity to squeeze more money out of people regardless. That is their right, but it’s also paved the way for other companies to jump in and fill the giant vacuum left by Adobe’s decision. And that is exactly what is happening with Affinity.
To be fair, I think it’s going to happen to MS as well. I was a loyal MS Office user until the subscription model. That provided an incentive to look at alternatives like Apple’s offerings. I discovered that I could be perfectly happy with those, something that never would have happened if MS hadn’t gone to a subscription model. So, some wounds are self-inflicted.
Free choice is a good thing… for them… and for us…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Dennis Radeke] “And to paraphrase a saying we’ve all heard and used in the past, “No one ever got fired for using Photoshop.” 😉
It is after all the de facto standard image editor and for good reason.”
First of all, most of us are here because we didn’t take the cautious or easy route. If we did we’d all be using edit controllers, not NLE’s.
As far as being the de facto standard… that’s the way it always is… right up until it changes. If you want to keep whistling past the graveyard, feel free to do so…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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Looks great… thanks for sharing. PS and AI are one area that keeps people using CC. Maybe now they’ll have the opportunity to pass…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Bret Williams] “Agreed. I never saw anything that hinted at it being an aperture replacement. It’s just an upgraded iPhoto designed to sell cloud drive space.”
Looks like you’re pretty much on target:
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[David Mathis] “The only downside is no keyframing of color correction, and keyframing needs some improvement.”
Agreed, but I’m not sure I’d say that’s the only downside. As you mention, there isn’t a “Send to Motion”, and there is definitely room for improvement in the audio area.
Is it safe to come back… yes. Definitely yes.
Like every program it won’t have everything. And there will be minor set backs like the lags we’re all experiencing with the current OS, but those will be addressed.
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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Yep, seeing it on a fully loaded 8-core with a TB2 disk array capable of over 900. It’s gotten worse in the latest version. Maybe Apple could pretend for a moment that this is as important as some iPhone issue?
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Charlie Austin] “Not sure that helps Bill… And to be fair, there are plenty of workflows where tracks serve a purpose. Mine isn’t one of them.”
Yes, that is certainly true. But, don’t say that here, the insecure people will be offended.
Last week I had an occasion to visit FCP 7 on a project that was shot 12 years ago and transferred to FCP7 some time after that. I had no problem working in 7… the tracks don’t scare me, but then I don’t scare easily, I guess. Even though I hadn’t seen 7 in at least a year, I had no problem operating it. I guess it all depends on how good you were in 7? A lot of people I know that love X weren’t all that competent in 7, though they seem to think they were.
Yes FCP7 was slower than FCPX in terms of raw speed, but then it’s on a 2008 machine, not the flame-throwing nMP. Almost makes me want to try FCP7 on the nMP. Almost…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill