Marcus Moore
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The problem is I think his key metric is completely flawed. Adoption of new applications (and I think at this point, regardless of the name, we can all agree that FCPX is in essence a new application) comes to larger post facilities LAST.
Disruption almost never comes from the top- Legacy FCP, and more recently Premier Pro, toiled for years in the backwoods before getting a foothold in bigger shops.
Toronto is my home turf as well, and he’s not wrong about FCPX adoption. But I think starting with “Are big shops adopting it?” and reverse-engineering that the software is not professional is ass-backwards in my book.
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Well, the logic goes that there’s no X.1 without the MacPro (as per Larry Jordan), and there won’t be a MacPro without Mavericks- that thing won’t ship with anything but 10.9 on it.
While I think you’re right about media management, beyond that there’s been a wonderful black hole of information about this release. UI? Audio? Performance? Colour? It will be a wonderful surprise to see what they’ve been up to for over a year, and how they’ve parsed the feedback of users in the development of the program.
What I’m personally expecting is that on Tuesday we’ll get a final Mavericks preview and launch date- either later this week or next, I’d say. MacPro will get officially announced, with pricing, configuration options, and ship date. IF (and it’s a big if) Apple decides to spend any demo time on the MacPro, we might see some screenshots of 10.1. But Pro apps demos don’t belong at this event.
I’m personally betting conservatively that the MacPro won’t ship Tuesday, but will be available for pre-order with a ship date in early November. That’s OK for me cause I’ll need a couple more big cheques to come in before I can hit the “order” button. Whether that would mean the X.1 would wait for the Maverick or the MacPro (or both) to ship before being launched is anyone’s guess.
But if things happen sooner than I think that’s fine by me!
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If I were you I’d deny him the clicks he’s so obviously looking for.
It’s not worth engaging this guy in debate.
It’s an especially well timed hit-piece that just happening to come right before a major upgrade- but of course he makes no mention of that.
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I wasn’t talking about configurability- I was only configuring the current MacPro with some of the base things we know the new MP will include, so perhaps get a better sense of base price.
We’re completely in the dark as to what the price of the shell of the old MP vs the new MP is, so I’m kind of setting that aside and just saying if we know the new machine will have SSD, minimum of 8GB of RAM and 2 GPUs, then what’s the base price?
Yes, you can config a current MP up to over 10K, and I don’t in any way doubt you’ll be able to do that with the new machine as well (not including the 4K displays… yikes!). But with iMacs so much more capable now than back in 2006-2008, I think the floor for the MacPro (on both price and performance) can probably be at least $1000 higher than it was.
As you say, we’ll see soon. Then one of us can rub the other guys face in it! (virtually speaking) 😉
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You’re right, Andy. Apple does tend to update machines and keep them at roughly the same cost- but like Craig says below regarding the rMPB, when you add in new technologies that become standard- the unit price goes up.
Let’s look at the existing MacPro on Apple’s store. The base price is $2,499.
BOOT DISK. As soon as you add an the 512GB SSD option, the price jumps to $3,099. I have no reason to believe that Apple will ship an MacPro with anything less a 512GB boot drive.
RAM. I also find it hard to believe they’ll ship this thing with anything less than 8GB RAM (and I’m being generous, configs might only start at 16GB). Total is now $3,174
GPU. The MacPro comes standard with dual GPUs (of varying performance). Change the GPU on the current MacPro to the dual Radeon HD 5770s, and we’re up to a total of $3,424.
So even in the current MP, a machine with similar specs is going to cost you near $3,500.
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I think he was talking about Legacy upgrades.
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I think the big distinction from “cloud” is that you’re not paying monthly for a service whether you choose to upgrade or not. If 10.1 has no value for you or your workflow, keeping using 10.0.9. At 28 months since launch, FCPX and all it’s free update has cost you $10.71/mo. If you keep using 10.0.9 as is for another year it will have cost you $7.50/mo. While CC Pr (only) will continue to cost you $19.99/mo.
But I think you’d best get used to digital media having no resale value. I don’t see that changing. It was nice while it lasted (like resale textbooks) but those days are coming to an end. Thankfully the software has gotten cheaper as well.
And this is not to say that I’m against CC’s implementation- I’m already a subscriber. I’m happy to pay $299 every two years. Heck, I’d be willing to pay that every year to keep major updates coming. It’s a key cost to my business- and super small compared to what I make off it.
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[Craig Seeman] “Some of us may believe that the base level MacPro will be more than a BTO iMac or rMBP.”
While I don’t expect Apple to make a super-cheap version of the MacPro, I DO think there’ll be one available for under $4,000 which is what a topped out iMac runs. I’m more inclined to believe the entry level MacPro will be about $3,500, which is just a hair above the $3,449 price of a top ‘o the line rMBP.
Apple can always throw us curves, but you’re likely to be more right than wrong if bet on them staying the course.
We shall see… (hopefully soon!)
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I think this whole free Pro apps with free hardware thing is way out of left field.
They can’t do it exclusively for the MacPro, cause who’s to say someone buying a base model MacPro isn’t spending LESS money than someone buying a completely maxed out rMPB or iMac? What will those people think? They’re getting screwed.
The only way it works is if Apple just decides to make all their Pro offerings free, and I think there’s basically no chance of that.
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Except for Logic. Regardless of the fact that Logic9 was a port from the boxed version, Logic was on sale in the appStore for almost 2 years before Logic Pro X was released- for the same price. Logic Pro 9 disappears, Logic Pro X is there.
Although I think we all understand what it means, I think the 10.1 moniker is confusing us all as to how big an update this will be. 10.1 will be no more or less significant that FCP 5 to FCP6 to FCP7.
I think the banners on the appStore will make it very clear its a new version of the software- and those who are interesting in it will have little confusion about what they’re looking for.