Karl Holt
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I think the reason for the different models is a technical one.
The NTSC model runs off 60 hz, hence 30 and 60 recording. PAL is 50hz, hence 50 and 25 recording. As far as I know 24p is derived from a 60hz signal so it’s easy to implement this on the US model, but not the PAL model.
So in other words its easier to get 25p from the PAL model (50hz).
I read that DVCPROHD at 25p records more resoltion 1440×1080. For 30p it records 1280×1080; my guess is to keep the bandwidth the same. So 24P being derived from 60hz also has a recording spec of 1280×1080. On the other hand the 25p model should record 1440×1080. So it isnt all bad news.
I’m sure Ive got some of my facts wrong here, but the explanation is close I think.
Karl
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That’s bad news. Within a year there may well be another alternative out there to the Panasonic camera.
I hope in this instance the information you’ve been given is incorrect and we have a model here by the end of the year. Jan, can you shed any light on this one?
thanks for the replies.
Karl
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Hi Toke,
Where did you get the information that the PAL model was April 2006? I was under the impression it would be released the same time as the US model. I can hardly wait until september, let alone next year.
Karl
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Very true, but bear in mind I’m a single freelancer I cant afford to stack my home out with XDCAM decks and DVCPROHD decks.
I can’t get my hands on an XDCAM, 24p recording or 1080 HD for under $6000. If I was to shoot HD XDCAM, could I do it? and if so how much would it be?…. Nothing is telling me this will be offered even in a years time at a prosumer price point. HDV for the moment is Sony’s answer for the prosumer but it wont cut it for me as I intend to do lots of handheld shots. I’d much rather take the risk with HDD’s on the HVX.
Each new technology brings with it pro’s and cons. For a little independant guy like me tho the new Panasonic cam is well worth the gamble. It’ll give me access to material I could previously only dream of. Im always getting hacked off with DV because its difficult to track for 3d matchmoving, impossible to colour correct (and sometimes key). On top of this I get banding in animations I produce on graduated colours. The move away from this to DVCPRO50 or HD is so exciting I think I might explode. I’m aware of the downsides but the upsides are : no deck needed (files are ready to edit), maybe no HD editing card needed (if the cam can be used as a device to output to the monitor while editing), 4:2:2 image quality, 720p or 1080p – pictures good enough for theatrical projection, variable rate shooting for slo-mo, instant access in the field for deleting bad takes… I mean, on my budget where else am I going to find anything remotley close to this? It’s pretty groundbreaking.
If I could afford a varicam and a HD deck I’d snap it up, but I am a mere mortal. If Sony are offering 1080p XDCAM camcorder at $6000 then I’ll be the first in line for that too!
Anyway, a discussion like this I guess belongs in the P2 forum; i just wondered what the ETA on Prem support would be because I’d even switch to a mac for this new camera.
Karl
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The news is you’ll be able to shoot onto a HDD like a firestore.
It’s all specualtion as we have 6 months to wait; but Panasonic are too good to let this camera fall by the wayside due to the Pricey P2 cards. My guess is P2 will be 1 option, along with others.
The interest in it at NAB was big. I think it’ll be a huge hit for people like me who make short films and even low bugdet features. Even if it shot only to P2 I’d still get one. I think its a small sacrafice to make to get a quality HD image with no motion artifcats and varibale frame rate. I’m happy to take a laptop into the field to offload to – granted this wont suit everyones workflow though. Also, so far Im keying off DV (4:2:0) so even shooting DVCPRO50 would make a big difference to the composites im making and colour correction.
I’ve wanted to move away from DV25 for a long time but the cameras are pretty expensive – this will be a whole new workflow and step up for me and I’m v excited. Of course this is just my opinion, but I wouldn’t write the camera off because it offers a lot.
Adobe are too big to overlook this camera and implementation of DVCPRO50 and DVCPROHD, its already making waves before it’s even been released.
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this quote was about the the HD100 is the JVC camera, not the panasonic – the Panasonic does do varicam rates its even in the official PDF brochure
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I Don’t dislike HDV. HDV had its use in being the first product to bring HD to the masses at an affordable price. And for that alone it should be commended.
Right now I can get away with shooting SD for my clients’ work. HD has been something I’ve thought best to sit back a few months and see how it develops; and I’m glad I have.
I have in planning a feature film that is mainly handheld (not ready to go just yet anyway) – hence all the posts I had on the HDV forum about motion artifacts. Most people advised me against it and some even elected to say that no-one should dare film hand held anyway as that was amateurish and HDV would ‘teach’ people how to film properly. Granted Derek, you were always very supportive – but it was clear that HDV wouldn’t cut it for me.
So, the Panasonic has been announced at the right time and it sounds like a dream of a camera. I’m lucky in that my own projects have the luxury of being at my own deadlines. I dont want to wait 6 months, but I guess I’ll have to. My DVX100 will serve me well until then.
The proof will be in the picture quality, but frankly Im amazed at what Panasonic are offering. A while ago I asked in the HDV forum how long it would be until we got variable speed recording on an affordable camera, and the idea seemed too ‘high end’ to be even considered. Panasonic have not just raised the bar – they have blown the roof off. This is the biggest development in video for a long time IMHO, and is the revolution that HDV was meant to be. The key things are 1080p and all the frame rates/codecs, variable speed, tapeless, no motion artifacts. On top of this you get digibeta quality in SD mode,(plus DV if u want it)… 2 months ago no-one would have dared ask for that on a sub $10,000 camera.
But they say don’t count your chickens, I’d like to hear more on the CCD’s. I dont understand people with brand loyalty anyway – if this camera was Sony I would have been pleased. I’m happy it’s Pana though because I’m used to my DVX (I love the cine-gamma look) and the operation seems similar also.
Look at it this way, there is no doubt that this camera will make all the other maufacturers think very hard about their future products. Sony, JVC and Canon will be forced to up the anti – and thats no bad thing for the market. Panasonic seem to be delivering a Porche in a family-wagon market, so the others have no choice but to step up.
Karl
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No, I was wondering if the differences between the NTSC and PAL models are purely in the SD modes and frame rates, but all other HD modes have identical frame rates?
For example, will the PAL model shoot 24p or 25p at 1080, as at HD there is no such thing as PAL/NTSC.
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It states on Panasonic’s own website that it will do 1080/60i, 1080/24p, 1080/30p, 720/60p, 720/24p, 720/30p, 480/60i, 480/24p, 480/30p.
Just announced is the PAL model with 720/25p 720/50p. Not sure as yet if the PAL model will shoot 1080/25p tho.
Karl
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Actually there is are couple of shots that show the highlights blowing out – but still, pretty impressive.
Just shows what a good lens with a shallow depth of field can do. I suspect the fixed lens on the Panasonic will not be able to create images like this.
JVC on the other had may well get a good DOF with the detachable lens (but of course lower chroma sampling and MPEG2). pros and cons eh?