HVX200 Availiability in the PAL world 108024p issue

[Noah Kadner]

The HVX does indeed shoot 24p in 1080 in the same method used by the VariCam to achieve 24p in 720 and the DVX100A to achieve 24p in 480. It should be available in the NTSC version well before the end of 2005. PAL version is a different story- I would expect it to shoot 25p not 24 and would most likely ship later than the NTSC.

Noah

[Toke]

April 2006!
Only _eleven_ months further…

https://eww.pavc.panasonic.co.jp/pro-av/sales_o/p2/hvx200/index.html
says: ” It also supports 24p and 30p (NTSC model), 25p and 50p (PAL model) frame rates.”

Maybe we should make one more wishlist from “people from PAL-countries” that states only: “Please, Panny make just one global model!”

1080i might never be used in PAL-lands and if the camera includes “varicam framerates” then it already
has 720p25/50. So all that should be included is 1080p25 and 576i/p.

Could there be enough room in the menus to put these there?
Or would it even need a new page to menus?
Or is it really that same chips can’t output 480 and 576?

By looking at tech specs “PAL” and “NTSC” varicam models seems to be identical:
Processing 74.1758MHz (59.94Hz), 74.25MHz (60Hz)
Recording Format DVCPRO HD (720p, 59.94Hz/720p, 60Hz)
Video Sampling Frequency Y: 74.1758MHz, Pb/Pr: 37.088MHz (59.94Hz), Y: 74.25MHz, Pb/Pr: 37.125MHz (60Hz)
Audio Sampling Frequency 48.048kHz (60Hz), 48kHz (59.94Hz)

AFAIK varicam does not have 480/576 output, but couldn’t Panny find a chip for this that handles both?

[Karl Holt]

Hi Toke,

Where did you get the information that the PAL model was April 2006? I was under the impression it would be released the same time as the US model. I can hardly wait until september, let alone next year.

Karl

[Emmanuel Plakiotis]

karl

I got the information from a Panasonic reperesentative in Greece. He is the head of the Pro department and his word values a lot.

It is true that most of the times, as Noah stated in an earlier message, there is a time difference in the launching between the NTSC and the PAL version, but its not all the time in favour of NTSC. For example we are going to get the JVC HD100 one month earlier (beginning of June) and for those who might be interested the price in Greece (and presumably in the rest of Europe) is Euro 4800 plus V.A.T including the lens.

[Karl Holt]

That’s bad news. Within a year there may well be another alternative out there to the Panasonic camera.

I hope in this instance the information you’ve been given is incorrect and we have a model here by the end of the year. Jan, can you shed any light on this one?

thanks for the replies.

Karl

[Toke]

I’d also like to know the reason for different models.
Pretty please, Jan?

[Karl Holt]

I think the reason for the different models is a technical one.

The NTSC model runs off 60 hz, hence 30 and 60 recording. PAL is 50hz, hence 50 and 25 recording. As far as I know 24p is derived from a 60hz signal so it’s easy to implement this on the US model, but not the PAL model.

So in other words its easier to get 25p from the PAL model (50hz).

I read that DVCPROHD at 25p records more resoltion 1440×1080. For 30p it records 1280×1080; my guess is to keep the bandwidth the same. So 24P being derived from 60hz also has a recording spec of 1280×1080. On the other hand the 25p model should record 1440×1080. So it isnt all bad news.

I’m sure Ive got some of my facts wrong here, but the explanation is close I think.

Karl

[Toke]

Difference in ccd’s refresh rates is history.
These cams can refresh from 4 Hz to 60 Hz.
So is the difference in ccd’s resolution.
So what lies behind the ccd’s…