[Julian Bowman]

Wow, the foundations of Sean’s stance/argument are even less stable than Chris’

This also amused:

Sean post 1: It’s amazing to read all of the DRAMA about FCP X. There’s a lot of irony when people complain for years about a FCP upgrade and then they get it …… they complain.

Sean post 2: Remeber FCP 1-2-3-4-5-6-7. Was the first version lacking compared to 2-7? Do you think that X won’t be improved and expanded?

This is a new program just like OS X was to OS 9.

So sweetie, first we’re melodramatic for asking for an upgrade then complaining when it comes, but then we’re melodramatic because we’re complaining about what is lacking in a version 1 bit of software… where this version 1 bit of software is the upgrade we’ve been waiting 3 or 4 years for that you initially said we’d been asking for then complained when it came.

Do you see the flaw there?

Is it an upgrade or is it a version 1? And when you decide do you want to edit your original post. Go on, you can, we won’t tell the other kids in your class.

[Julian Bowman]

“X is going to give you the editor something you never had in 7. That is the ability to dare:”

lmao.

Sorry, didn’t realise I couldn’t dare in FCP7… f*** Apple might sue me for misuse of their software.

And my real tuppence. I am a solo-show on the whole. I shoot what I edit. When I capture I bung my shots into folders I name and I know what is in there. I do enjoy scrubbing through my shots and discovering things I may have not considered using, which is what the original quote was about, but I would never tag my shots, because I know them (on the whole) and like putting them where I want to put them, in neat little folders in a vertical list.

So, X wins there then. Oh, wait, no, that entire argument is based upon me wasting ages tagging loads of clips that I couldn’t log and capture directly into X in the first place. Er, i’ll be half way through my edit by the time you’ve stopped playing with that tagging thing (and that’s on a 32bit app).

Personally I don’t care if some people like X, good for you. Buy it. Use it. But stop defending it as some revolutionary advance of editing. It’s a different way of editing which doesn’t make the previous way of editing arcane or redundant. And stop saying that in X years it will be ‘awesome’ because a) you don’t know that and b) at the moment it’s pretty shite by all accounts… and I waited two frigging years for this ‘awesome’ upgrade and I can’t even use it as a shite upgrade.

[Julian Bowman]

Couldn’t they have just added a save option. Really now!? Do they want to lean in and tell me when I can wipe my arse as well?

Of all the ridiculous things I keep reading about X this takes the biscuit. It’s like when they replaced their glorious 23″ monitors with 24″ glossy ones that DIDN’T HAVE AN OFF BUTTON!!!!

Er, wtf!

I swear, they must be dishing out peyote with the morning doughnuts over there.

[Julian Bowman]

No.

[Julian Bowman]

@ Chris Kenny

Dude, seriously, if Jobs said invade Poland you’d be at the front. Did you notice the hypocrisy in your post? You criticise about someone doing something but do exactly the same yourself.

Personally, I get it. Hardcore fanboi. Fanatical about Apple. Cool. Enjoy. But I see that little logo of yours now and i’m seriously just going to skip by (and i’ve only been reading this forum for a week).

It’s like listening to neo-con oil baron’s opinion on global warming.

[Julian Bowman]

Why is new always deemed better?

The editing ‘past’ seemed to be perfectly ok for, er, everyone.

Wheels may have become better made, but they’re still bloody round.

[Julian Bowman]

Personally, I think Chris is angling for a date with the Jobs fellow. Either that, or do Apple now do their own version of the Blue Peter badge?

The only good thing for me about FCPX is that the FCPX forums are a good read and the post launch comment threads kept me smiling throughout a rather muddy Glastonbury.

The youthful cheerleaders, naive and excited, drooling over the potential of this brave new iWorld versus those who actually seem to know what they are talking about in real life application of editing software and are now jumping the iShip.

Sure, iMovie Pro looks great for iMovie fans. FCP is dead. And no, I don’t want the way I edit reinvented, all I wanted was a 64 bit editing programme.

Hello Adobe.

[Julian Bowman]

[troll] Aside from multicam, which will probably be there in a year, you’re largely asking for things to work the way they used to. I assure, none of that will take two years to show up. Because it will never show up. If your primarily objection to FCP X is that it works very differently (which seems to be the case), then leave.

Wow, thanks for the permission and the idea…. oh, hang on, already had that one. Oh, and probably falls into the ifs, buts and maybes category. Sorry, guess you’re a spoonfeeder type.

[troll] Personally, though, I find it rather absurd for you to demand that FCP X be modified to work like FCP 7 when you haven’t actually invested any effort to figure out whether the way FCP X works might have its own benefits.

Sorry, thought this was being sold as the upgrade to FCP. Silly me, didn’t realise they’d changed the definition to upgrade. And again, returning to my original post (do actually read all the words or see a negative and decide you want to move in, ego and all?) why waste time and money learning FCPX (a new system to me) when I can learn PP5.5 (a new system to me) which does everything I want now?

Personally, though, I find it rather absurd for you to demand I waste my time learning X when you haven’t invested any effort to figure out the way I work and whether that may have its own benefits to me… which is, ultimately, and funnily enough, what I care about in this specific circumstance.

Guess you didn’t want a cup of tea then. Sorry, I appreciate it doesn’t taste the same when the water isn’t boiled on a magnetic hob.

[Julian Bowman]

Chris Kenny on Jul 4, 2011 at 2:46:36 pm

[Julian Bowman] “I’m not a post house. I’m an indie making a living from the not for profit sector. I work on my own, and from everything I’ve read about X I won’t touch it with a barge pole at the moment.”

[Chris Kenny] This sounds a lot like you haven’t actually used it.

Actually I would suggest that to most people that fact was implicitly implied in that statement. Perhaps some people would need that point spoon fed to them, but I like to err on people reading and comprehending things. If it appeases you though, then, no, I haven’t used it yet. Yes I have read lots. If you feel my opinion in invalid simply because I have read and not used then i’d suggest we stop a conversation now as i’m just going to roll my eyes at you and walk on by.

[Julian Bowman] “In a couple of years, when all the apologists suggest X will be ready for me, i’ll be long gone over to premier.”

[Chris Kenny] Specifically what features do you need that you believe will take “a couple of years” to show up in FCP X?

Multicam (shoot 6 camera live sessions too). Ability to put my rushes and render files somewhere different from my project files, and wherever I need/want. Open FCP7 projects. Capture from tape. Plugins. The ability to create little bits of my edit further along my timeline without it being sucked into the main edit as it is the way i like to do things. Multiple sequences in one project, rather than multiple projects just to have multiple sequences. Call me old fashioned (and please do) but a manual save option. The keyboard strokes to be the same as they are in 7.

Now a lot of this I can get from Premier, including I believe (and a tad ironically) 7s keyboard layout and the ability to open 7 projects. Some of the above may have workarounds but a workaround isn’t as good as the ability to do it… at least to me.

I’m sure if i thought long enough now i’d remember other things i’d read and would need, and there are things I have read which beggared belief (can’t put a dissolve at the start of a clip was one… of course there was a workaround, but why need a workaround for that?).

And if i did use it (and I would if i was given a beta copy for free to experiment with, but i’m not pissing away £170ish when I can put that towards my upgrade for CS5.5 Production suite) then I can imagine i will find more.

Now, I appreciate that Apple have said they’ll be adding or trying to add or considering adding some/all of these features at some undisclosed point in the future… but then they said X was going to be an upgrade and awesome, so i’m holding no stock in ifs, buts and maybes. I have read a fair few posts on this forum already to recognise your position on all this, and mostly it appears to be ‘I LIKE IT AND THIS OTHER STUFF WILL COME, SO THERE!!!) but you don’t know if any of it will come, just as i don’t know it won’t. What I do know is I want a 64 bit editing programme I can use now and X falls far short.

Thus I’m moving on to one I know does what I want and by a company I believe I can trust. Which i believe was the whole point of my post and still utterly valid.

Thanks for the troll though… fancy a cup of tea?

[Julian Bowman]

I’m not a post house. I’m an indie making a living from the not for profit sector. I work on my own, and from everything I’ve read about X I won’t touch it with a barge pole at the moment.

In a couple of years, when all the apologists suggest X will be ready for me, i’ll be long gone over to premier. Why? Well at the moment I run a 32 bit editing software programme that is already a year behind the competition because i was waiting for this ‘awesome’ upgrade. I’m sitting on my hands for another couple of years only to discover that all the creative advancements of X are predominantly prosumer nonsense and marketing spin when all I want is an editing package I can edit my with that makes the most of my Mac.

FCP8 could have been that if they gave me 64 bit and real background rendering (rather than what seems to be, from posts, the idle rendering in X) but instead they ‘reinvented’ the wheel, made a lot of fanbois gasp and apologists chastise and middle class hobbyists wonder if £180 is money well spent when iMovie is free but made people like myself… not a post house… think t0ssers, you just shat on my set up and have made me learn a new editing programme when I should be spending that time working on paid jobs.

And if i’m going to earn a new bit of editing software, is it going to be X with its flaws, bugs and limitations or Premier 5.5 with a company behind it that appears to care about the fact I edit for a living?

No brainer.

So, in summary:

* no, having FCP7 on our machines isn’t solace when we’ve been waiting 2 years for an upgrade from 32 bit.

* no, waiting another 2 years on the off chance that X will stop being a control freak and allow me to do what I want the way I want (which I always could) isn’t tolerable

* no, if i have to learn a new editing system it won’t be the limited X

* and my sympathy goes out even more to those with seats and external editors who have been shat on even more than me.