[John Romein]

Thanks Steve,

Unfortunately, the work around is now just starting as we now have to redo a few days of editing with the nagging fear that at any time we may end up with the error again…especially not know what the issue was to begin with.

I’ve always been in the habit of saving veg files so that we could go back a few steps if we ran into an error or something really messed up. The worst part about this is that it blew up all the veg files we’ve been saving along the way. Since we never touched these veg files and renaming the media folders did not seem to impact it and we tried different PCs and different versions of Vegas all with the same error….I have to conclude that the problem is something in the veg file not entirely related to the project.

Hopefully creating a new veg and redoing all the editing will work.

Cheers,
John

[John Romein]

Thanks Steve.

We actually don’t have multiple veg files on the timeline. What I meant is that we saved different versions of the veg files as the project progress. ex edit 1-0, edit 1-2, edit 2-0, etc

The thing that surprises me is that the issue is across all the veg files for this project except for one where we just had a small piece of the media. I thought it might be media related so I renamed all the media folders and still got the same error….except for the one that worked where it complained about not finding the media. So, the error occurs before Vegas looks for the media but after all the empty standard windows open.

After the error we also tried loading all the media to a timeline with no editing and that veg works fine. Weird!

If only I could figure out what Vegas was looking for!

John

[John Romein]

Thanks Norman! This forum is great!

I downloaded the program eac3to and ran it as you suggested.

eac3to tape2.wav tape2.w64

Took almost 4 minutes to convert. Loaded it into Vegas and it works…I have a 3 hour audio track.

Thanks again!

[John Romein]

It just happened that this file is 4GB. The other file of tape 1 is 4.17GB and the Mediainfo is the same otherwise. I downloaded Audicity and tried to load the file into it as a wav file….same error issue. I also tried to load the file as a RAW and it created a 13 hour file on the timeline! The file is very noisy, sloooow (explains 13 hours), 32bit float, mono. I changed the file to 24bit PCM….no change. The file should be a stereo…but I don’t think changing this would help.

You mentioned eac3to. I’ll download it and see if it can resolve this issue.

[John Romein]

Thanks Norman.

Here’s the output from Mediainfo:
General
Complete name : R:\RAW\tape 2.wav
Format : Wave
File size : 4.00 GiB
Duration : 3h 6mn
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 3 072 Kbps

Audio
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : 00001000-0000-0100-8000-00AA00389B71
Duration : 3h 6mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 3 072 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 32 bits
Stream size : 4.00 GiB (100%)

Any suggestions as to how to get the file into Vegas? Do I need to go some 3rd party converter software? I tried to fool Vegas by changing the extension to W64…didn’t work.

[John Romein]

Thank you very John.

The script I referred to in the previous post is the following:
https://f1.creativecow.net/7277/convert-18p-to-24p-script-for-vegas-pro

The tip about disabling the resampling did the trick. Now the renders look much better. Now I just need to decide the delivery format, mxf or avi?

Cheers,
John

[John Romein]

Thanks John.

I tried both the Sony YUV and Sony MXF with one of the HD422 50Mbps templates. The issue I found with both is that the results produced ghosting and blended frames. Also the images are all 4:4:4 and I sort- of would like to keep the quality high.

I suspect that I need to do a pulldown sequence to get the frames from 17 to 24 or 29.97 and then apply the recommend renders…is this correct? BTW I did look at your 18to24 conversion script…is this what I need. Or is there a way to force Vegas to do a non-blended pulldown?

Using Vegas Pro 13 and UltimateS.

Cheers,
John

[John Romein]

Thanks Bill.

Obviously not simple. It seems that if I’m capturing for the computer I need to use IRE 0 and if I’m capturing for DVD I should use IRE 7.5. Now the tape itself may have been recorded using IRE 0 or IRE 7.5…more than likely 7.5 if NTSC.

Cheers,
John

[John Romein]

Very interesting stuff about the IRE settings. It definitely makes a difference setting the Canopus dip switch to IRE 0 or 7.5 (even if the control is set to the PC software…which is available and I use for the ADVC300). Here’s the scopes for some scenarios using different IRE settings:

DSR-11 -> Composite -> Canopus ADVC300 – IRE 0 -> firewire -> Vegas Pro 12 DV capture:

DSR-11 -> S-Video -> Canopus ADVC300 – IRE 0 -> firewire -> Vegas Pro 12 DV capture:

Image:

DSR-11 -> firewire -> Canopus ADVC300 – IRE 0 -> firewire -> Vegas Pro 12 DV capture:

Image:

DSR-11 -> firewire -> Canopus ADVC300 – IRE 7.5 -> firewire -> Vegas Pro 12 DV capture:

Image:

Interesting how the scopes and images for composite and s-video and firewire are almost the same with IRE 0. Why would they all look so similar? Your thoughts.

Cheers,
John

[John Romein]

Thanks Stephan for your observations.

I had a look at the detail in the dress and I see what you mean…however, if I zoom into the dress I do see more detail in all images.

I went back and looked at the scopes….maybe I don’t fully understand what I’m seeing. What I see is that the firewire on the waveform is between 10-110% and the histogram starts around 19-20 except for the blue. For the non-firewire the waveform is 0-100% and the histogram starts at 0. I always thought that the waveform should be between 0-100…not sure what the histogram should be. What should the ideal settings be?

Here’s the scopes for the different setups:

DSR-11 -> Composite -> Canopus ADVC300 -> firewire -> Vegas Pro 12 DV capture:

DSR-11 -> S-Video -> Canopus ADVC300 -> firewire -> Vegas Pro 12 DV capture:

DSR-11 -> firewire -> Canopus ADVC300 -> firewire -> Vegas Pro 12 DV capture:

DSR-11 -> firewire -> Vegas Pro 12 DV capture:

Canon HV30 camcorder -> firewire -> Vegas Pro 12 DV capture:

Thanks, John