Jim Gunn
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Hard drives are not suitable for long term storage. They are only suitable for quick access and temporary storage since they are prone to failure. Why not just save the original mini-DV tapes? Those are your archival masters that will safely last a long time. If for some reason you have to send those mini-DV tapes away to a client, then simply copy the tapes from camera to camera or camera to deck and you will have perfect copies on tape that will last a long, long time.
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“Why would you offer special for 2.0 purchase and upgrade to CS3 for free while upgrading directly to CS3 cost more? I asked very specifically yesterday to that rep 3x, are you sure, she said yes.”
Hey don’t knock it! I am still using P Pro 1.5.1 and Encore 1.5, and I intend to purchase the cheaper 2.0 upgrade, and earn my free copy of CS3 (incl. Encore 3.0) for just $199. Thanks Adobe!
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Danny:
Premiere with the Aspect HD plugin converts the hdv footage on a mini-DVtape when captured to an intermediate format using the AVI extension to make it easy, faster and less processor intensive to edit with. Everyone on line raves about this solution. I thought it was going to be ideal to use. The editing part works great. The issue is exporting and I guess that you are right- the CF AVI movie that I export looks great in WMP at 1440 x 1080 and properly displays to my eye at 16:9 (since the par is 1.33). But this pixel aspect ratio means that no 3rd party encoding apps except for Cleaner XL can use it properly encode all the other finished formats I need. They all choke on either the AVI format or the 1.33 par or both.
Of course I am incensed now. How can this be? What a lack of foresight on Cineform’s part! You suggest that I make two intermediate formats, and what you said makes sense but I wonder if it would be possible to save one step and just export directly from P Pro the hi quality 1920 x 100 wmv in a square pixel aspect ratio instead of to an 1.33 par 1440 x 1080 avi first and then use that 1920 x 1080 wmv to encode to a 1920 x 1080 Real and Quicktime file and smaller versions
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Danny, thanks for the suggestion. As a matter of fact I tried import the Cineform AVIs I exported from Premiere Pro 1.5.1 with Aspect HD into the Procoder 1.25 trial demo and it did not accept them as a source, nor did the full version of Sorenson Squeeze 4.3 that a friend let me try. That is really, really disappointing. The last thing I need is another step in the process.
And I still feel that somehow I am lacking a critical piece of knowledge. I have asked ten people and gotten all kinds of answers. Assuming I get these to encode, should these resulting files as viewed in WIndows Media Player under File-Properties, should these videos be be 1440 x 1080 with a 16:9 aspect ratio like the CF AVI files say that they are in WMP or should they say 1920 x 1080 in WMP. I know that the 1.33 pixel aspect ratio of the 1440 x 1080 frame size is supposed to be equivalent to 1920 x 1080 frame size, but none of the resulting files ever look right or play right in Windows Media Player like the end users are going to be using. Even when I make wmvs in Cleaner XL from the CF AVIs they are the same width as my CF AVIs but taller and say that they a aspct ratio of “4:3 actual 1.71 displayed” in WMP.
I thought that I knew a lot about video encoding with SD vide, but I still have zero confidence that I know what I am doing here with hdv. There are so many settings in all the encoding apps. Assuming that my edited movies are 1440 x 1080 with a 1.33 par -which should I make these wmva nd reals and qts? 1440 x 1080 or 1920 x 1080? And should I specifically tell the encoding app to make the pixel aspect ratio 16:9 or as Cleaner XL calls it 40:33?
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Danny, I appreciate your help so far. I already have Aspect HD 4.0 working fine with Premiere Pro 1.5.1 for editing and outputting and encoding into wmv formats. It’s Cleaner XL that cannot handle the exported HDV AVI files to make Real or Quicktime outputs and Procoder that cannot handle them at all! I find it hard to believe what you ssay that Procoder can handle these hdv files either as you suggest. There is no mention of it in their documentation either and it won’t even accept my unedited hdv footage. I cannot imagine that upgrading to Premiere Pro 2.0 would make any substantial change in the output of an edited CF AVI file that would suddenly make them work in Cleaner or Procoder. Why would it? There has to be another simple explanation.
I have multiple pc workstations and literally thousands of dollars in pc software that would never run right on a Mac. Switching to Mac now would be impossible and I cannot afford it anyway right now.
Aren’t there hundreds of people right here on this forum that are encoding hdv videos for the web with pcs? Someone else must have some idea, maybe I am missing the forest for the trees here? I am super frustrated and questioning everything I thought I knew. If I can’t figure this out soon my newest clients will drop me and I am screwed professionally.
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Danny, thanks for your continued responses. But I tried to import one of the unedited avi clips that was captured by Premiere Pro 1.5.1 with Aspect HD and Procoder demo does not accept that either!
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Danny, thank you for this info. I am going crazy with this! I have now over $725 invested in Cleaner XL including the XL version that I purchased a few years ago that handled batch encoding of standard definition videos just fine. I thought this new(ish) Cleaner XL 1.5 update would handle hdv which I now shoot almost exclusively in. But having just read the manual, I realize that never once is hdv or 1.33 pixel aspect ratio even mentioned! There has to be way to make this work for quicktime and Real as well as wmv which does work fine. I will look into editing the input profiles and query Ben W. if I can find him.
I am puzzled however by your recommendation of Procoder. I just now downloaded a 30 day demo version from their website and once again, there is no mention of hdv in the included help manual. And this demo will not accept my edited movie’s full size AVI file (1440 x 1080 1.33 par) that I exported from Premiere Pro 1.51 as an input! So Procoder is no good or hdv either I guess? What now? Is there no software app that will allow me to batch encode to multiple formats the many videos that I film with my hdv camera and edit in Premiere?
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Danny, I don’t see those options in Cleaner XL 1.5. When I try to load an input profile the only folder options I have are CD or DVD, DV Camcorder or Expert. In none of these are there any profiles called HDV and certainly not HDV 1440 x 1080 input PAR 1.33 profiles! How di iI load or make a correct input profile?
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What is option I should use for an input profile then??
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Input profile is NTSC Progressive 16×9
I double-checked and tried many different settings in Real and Quicktime output profiles.
There is no job crop applied.
I am familiar with Cleaner having used the Cleanner XL pc version for years, and the upgraded to ver. 1.5 is very similar.
I still can’t figure out what is going on. I think it has to be the 1.33 pixel aspect ratio of the my edited CF AVI file screwing up the Real and Quicktime encodes, but that is pretty lame if this new version of Cleaner XL cannot handle that!