Jeremiah Black
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“To think deck is totally eliminated is also foolish. What are going to do to sent out VHS copies of your P2 cards for clients and producers? Tie up a G5 with a Decklink?”
Nobody said decks were alltogether eliminated. What’s been proposed is that you don’t have to buy a deck or rent one everytime you have to ingest footage. You can just rent one for one day to output the final version, or take your hard drives to a house that outputs.
“Shooting now requires a laptop and likely a seperate operator.”
Shooting does not require a laptop. It’d be nice to have one, but it’s certinly not needed. And, anyway, I shoot with a laptop on set now, as do many people.
“P2 will get cheaper and in the long run, cost is not as big one might think. However, the *initial* cost to P2 is stagerring!”
It is far from staggering. Buy a camera and two P2 cards for $10,000- that’s 1/6 the price of a varicam. Plus no HD tape needed and no HD deck to buy. You’re basically getting a mini varicam for $10,000 and that doesn’t require a deck to ingest footage, with the only catch being that you have to dump your footage to a hard drive on set as you shoot. Some people, like myself, will find this deal very attractive and easy. Others won’t. Buy what you like.
jeremiah black
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Well, let’s do a test. Why don’t you build your own P2 cards when the camera comes out and then post the results of what it costs you?
jeremiah black
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P2 cards are not regular SD cards. Regular SD cards are not fast enough. P2 cards are specially made RAIDS of SD cards, and are more expensive to manufacture.
Also, remeber that Panavision doesn’t “own” P2 technology. Any third party company will be able to make P2 memory cards. So, there’s no way Panavision would be able to get away with some outregeous markup.
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Interesting idea. But, I believe, when the signal is “downconverted” it’s not downconverted in a traditional sense from one codec to another. It’s merely squeezing an HD image off the chips down to an SD size. Frame rate, which is a function of a specific codec, hasn’t entered into yet.
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The slow motion will only be available for the 720p mode, I believe, and thus will only go to P2 cards, not to tape. NTSC mini dv tape must have 29.97 frames on it.
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(rennie) “I agree. The 1st published interview with Panasonic the price was mentioned at $10,000.00 and we all were swallowing the bitter pill. Had we learned it would include 2 – 8GB P2 cards it would have been a bonus. ”
Boy, this is true. Just two weeks ago, I was talking with Luis, and I was saying, “hey 10,000 is a decent price- it’s a varicam with 1/3 inch chips- maybe half the camera at 1/6 the price. Even with several P2 cards, it’s still a good deal- especially when you throw in the fact that you don’t need to pay for renting a deck.” Now ONE DAY AFTER finding out the camera will be 6000 instead of 10,000, everyone’s freaking out and forgotten their earlier expectations. Human nature is so spolied and greedy.
Luis has said that the camera will be available in a 10,000 package that will include 2x 8 gig P2 cards. but, still…. Giving people the option will only enrage their spolied sides instead of appreciation for the option.
(rennie) “I remember when I bought my 1st digital still camera 4 or 5 years ago and paid $450.00 for a 96mb compact flash card. They currently sell for less than $10.00 on ebay now. A 2.2 magicstor was $76.85 yesterday. These prices will come down fast and it looks like we will have other options before the camera is released.”
True again. The future looks pretty sweet, and the meantime doesn’t look so bad either.
jeremiah black
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This is absolutely correct. The only thing I’d say is that it’s probably not the best solution solution for documentaries- the look of which isn’t heavily stylized in post (so HDV doesn’t fall apart), and where it probably helps to be able to shoot all day without interruption. Though bear in mind that people used to shoot documentaries on film, so I don’t know what all the whining is about. I guess back then poeple had to be smarter, and couldn’t just mindlessly leave the camera on all day and then dump the 600 hours of footage on some poor editor.
Geez, listening to the people on this board, it’s obvious that so many of these tough talking “big shots” didn’t pick up a camera until mini-DV, and now they have no concept of workflows others than the typical mini dv route. If film had never been invented, and shooting negetive was just brought out at NAB this week, everyone would be on the boards going “you mean to tell me that I have to get this stuff developed? And I can’t move it over firewire? And it costs how much? and I can only shoot 10 minutes at a time? And I have to change the reels in a darkroom? What if the negetive gets scratched? And it doesn’t record sound? What if the film gets exposed before I shoot it? I don’t have time to thread film on set! How do I make a backup? Boo hoo hoo. I’m a serious artist, and I don’t have time for this! Now where’d I put my VX1000?”
Guys, all the griping about how P2 doesn’t suit your “professional needs” doesn’t look impressive. It just makes you look like a guy who learned on mini-DV, and then ignorantly thought that the workflow for all shooting formats worked that way.
Sorry to be rude, but there’s just way too many trolls who come on this board and start spouting off. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Find whatever technology works for you, and do your thing.
jeremiah black
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d,
weren’t you the sensitive one that complained that the P2 forum was growing too personal and bitter for your tastes?
jeremiah black
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Derek,
Uh, no one’s waiting 6 months before adoptiong HD. A lot of people here use HD now. And they, like myself, like DVCPROHD but find it pricey, and are unhappy with mpeg2 compressed HD and all its various problems. You’re acting like Sony invented HD with their HDV cameras. I’m sorry if that’s the first time you’ve heard of it, but it’s been here for a while, here, buddy.
I’m happy that your “very competitive market’ has embraced $5,000 prosumers cameras that shoot interlaced footage. Have fun with that.
jeremiah black
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I’ve never heard that one before. Explain a little more about the Z1U’s companion deck, if you don’t mind.
jeremiah black
dual 2 gig G5
2.5 gigs of RAM
Decklink Extreme capture card