Häakon
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It’s really interesting how people are coping with the idea of P2. I guess I’m in the “sliced bread” category… I can’t imagine shooting to tape any longer, and archiving to optical disc is dirt cheap, fast, and reliable. I realize some people are still concerned about the price (worth) of the cards, but at $650, it’s not like we’re talking a huge investment. After you buy the card, you never have to pay for stock again. Aside from capacity issues (which will only resolve themselves over time), I can’t really find a thing about P2 I don’t like. To each their own, of course…
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Jan,
The tireless hours you put in and the enormous patience you have for the countless individuals that are constantly requesting your attention are a testament to how selfless and special you truly are. I know that it doesn’t get communicated as often or directly as it should, but you are appreciated beyond words for what you do.
My thoughts are with you. Get well soon.
H
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[VideoFame] “I would be willing to spend up to $35K for a complete HD solution in 2/3″ chips that uses some form of solid state storage wether it be HDD, REV Disc, Blu-ray Disc or P2. But it definitely needs to provide 720 or 1080 at 24p and shoot some form of DV25 for non HD assignments.”
That’s what I was talking about in my original post. 🙂The gentleman who remarked that P2 is not up to snuff for high bitrate HD obviously hasn’t been paying attention, as the P2-based HVX200 uses the exact same codec and bitrate that the Varicam uses.
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Look to NAB for a 2/3″ P2 HD solution.
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I think it’s more a question of obsolescence than adaptability – especially if the replacement isn’t backward compatible.
You can still use a 3 1/2″ floppy in a computer with an adapter, but who would want to?
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Head on over to HVXuser.com; that’s where most of the discussion takes place. A new six-way shootout with the HVX (including the Varicam and Cinealta) is happening tomorrow and will show the strengths and weaknesses of a handful of all of the strong new HD cams.
Keep in mind, however, that very, very few people have the camera yet; Panasonic has been shipping in severely limited quantities. It will still be a little while before mass user reports start flowing in.
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Sorry, let me clarify;
I will have a hard drive to offload to, but I don’t want a hard drive *connected to the camera* in the field that will be bouncing all over the place in the direct sunlight and susceptible to all kinds of problems. I do narrative work, so 10 minute runtimes are just fine for me (and they’ll only continue to grow from here), so P2 works great for what I do.
When I said I had absolutely no interest in hard-drive acquisition, I was talking about something like the Firestore or CinePorter – not eliminating any use of a hard drive from the entire chain.
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I don’t want a hard drive anywhere near my camera – solid state is how we need to be thinking. P2 is probably the best thing the HVX has going for it at this point.
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[toke lahti] “Or does this even matter if the camera does not have more real resolution in 1080 mode than 720 mode?”
Ouch, dude. Wait until the tests come back… we’re all concerned, but nothing’s been quantified yet.
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Double the storage times of a 4GB card. 😛
1080i is always nearly 1GB per minute, so the capacity in GB of the card is equal to the minutes you’ll get out of it (in the case of an 8GB card, 8 minutes). As far as I’m aware, the 24p and 30p modes still lay down 60i to the card, they just use a pulldown mechanism (identical to how the DVX and XL2 handle 24p), so you don’t save any space by shooting in 24p.
Shooting in 720 offers different modes – an “over 60p” mode, which records in 60p and flags the active frames from the framerate you’ve selected (identical to the way the Varicam shoots) that you can then extract using your NLE in post. That, also, uses a 1GB/minute datarate. There is also a new “native” mode found exclusively on the HVX that allows shooting “natively” in a 24p or 30p timeline. In this instance, ONLY the active frames are recorded to the card, and you gain space proportionally to the mode you’ve selected. In 720p24, you’re laying down 24 frames instead of 60 (60% less frames), so the bandwidth needed is 60% less. Therefore, on an 8GB card, you can shoot 20 minutes of 720p24 footage at 24 fps. If you decide to shoot at different frame rate within native recording (12fps, for example), it functions much like a film camera does – the faster you’re recording images, the more space you’re using (and vice versa). It’s all a matter of math, but you can expect roughly 20 minutes of 720p24 shooting on an 8GB card if you shoot natively and limit yourself to 24fps shooting the entire time.
Hopefully that wasn’t too confusing. 🙂