[Grant Strac]

good for you buddy

[Grant Strac]

well I appreciate your assistance. The question of getting more room on dvd is different topic. I was just trying to see if there was a different way to open up the dvd encode than I’ve been taught to get more space used on disc since it’s there. I wanted to run test on it for my own personal quest.

I’ve now moved onto completely different question, I should of posted different forum but Eric was assisting me.

The project was not shot on DSLR. Sorry for confusion I was using that as an example for the difference in quality when I do dslr pro res & sd compared to what I was working with now. I can’t say what the source footage was filmed in because I was hired after a prod house failed to deliver.

I do know that the hd was captured in HDV 1080 60i 1440*1080 29.97 upper field, the sd was captured as Pro res 720*480 lower field. HD & SD in interlaced. My final output is desired to SD 720*480 dvd. I then transcoded the hd to pro res after the fact trying to figure out the interlacing.

When I output I get this look. I’ve never had this low quality with my cameras. I know dslr is way more information than the 1440 hdv tape but still I can’t settle with myself that this is the output. It looks like dog ****.

[Grant Strac]

Well ok maybe this is my problem. The final cut timeline has mixed order. Sd is low and HD high as it should be. When I am outputting to pro hd it’s upper then get converted down to sd lower. That’s why I’m wondering should I transcode all my hd source footage to lower because that’s where it’s going to end up. Because right now this is mixed up&low, to up, to low

This was my most likely thought to what was going on but does it cause problem because hd is supposed to be upper. Or should I transcode the sd footage to upper for, which i tried and the pro res looked better but then same on sd output. OR, haha, should I transcode the sd final to upper?

That is the question. Gets confusing and couldn’t find any literature on it.

Due thanks for taking the time out

[Grant Strac]

I did several different tests.
1. Straight from timeline to compressor transcoded straight to dvd
2. Pro res SD 720*480 transcode to sd dvd7.5
3. Po res to hd 1440*1080 and transcode that to sd 7.5
4. Even, completely pointless, uncompressed 16bit to dvd 7.5
5. Un-Self contained to pro to sd
6. Un-Self straight to dvd

I found that Pro HD to dvd gave best quality even though longer process but I need full res print anyway

I went back to transcode the hd to sd and then to dvd several ways and still pro hd to sd dvd was best quality.

I even slapped deinterlacing filter on it but that made worse on both odd & even.

I feel like somethings missing when I do this because I’ve never seen this bad of output

[Grant Strac]

29.97 and timeline 29.97 non drop for both

[Grant Strac]

hmmm good point. So do you have advice how to deal with the field order problem. I couldn’t quite figure it out. I encoded the hd to sd so the field order was the same and then I transcoded the sd to upper field order and that really didn’t help. The same field order (lower) then put to dvd looked a little better but not as much as I would of liked.

When I do my dslr footage to dvd it looks much better but still has that bar’ed look to it.

I’m at a loss to how to get it to atleast look clear.

This looks like shit I know I’m missing something. All be it I didn’t start the project and this previous place defiantly didn’t set the project up properly but I couldn’t figure out what they did different than what I do when I do project that causes this look. The footage is HDV 1080 60i converted to mpeg2 this is the final out look and it is much worse on dv.

[Grant Strac]

see i say that so people like you don’t waste time and get to the topic but yet again a second example of jackass that doesn’t add to any thread or help the questioning problem. Your a vice president of a company but your in school yard pushing people around. Why not just add something to the thread answer the questions or propose something of value. This is exactly the problem I have people that I teach one on one and they are terrified to go online and ask a question because they get made fun of or someone trys to make them look like an idiot.

This project i’m working on is about bullying how it’s causing people all around to go to the extreme to try and stop their tormentors and how bad the outcome gets. Perfect for you. I’m sure you treat your employees famously

[Grant Strac]

Thanks that was sufficiently on topic to the thread

[Grant Strac]

I’ll propose this to everyone that’s answered my last question

Would you down convert all HD your footage and edit in the final output format, sd? Or would you still edit in hd and then downconvert afterwards?

I’ve been taught that you should edit in final output. Unfortunately, I was hired when the project was half way edited so I was stuck with it as is but I’m thinking about the future projects now.

With this project I had the quality issue because they mixed HD & SD. I didn’t catch the interlacing order until the end because I was too wrapped up with everything else and I had shitty due date. The final discs came out looking poor. So I am wondering if as been taught downconvert the next project and edit in sd?

I have never had to deal with this mixing formats for broadcast process I always delivered in filmed format & if mixed I delivered web. So I am not sure which will preserve the best quality for output.

For broadcast when I transcoded uncompressed 8bit for sd it looked fine but when it came to the dvd’s it looked so bad. I ended up going back and running test on encoding the hd to sd so the the field order was same straight through but I really didn’t get that much better quality and I assume this is only because in all my rushing I mixed things too many times.

This has been a problem I’ve been asked and contemplated many times. Thanks for help

[Grant Strac]

So I have a question for you them.

Would you down convert all HD your footage and edit in the final output format, sd? Or would you still edit in hd and then downconvert afterwards?

I’ve been taught that you should edit in final output. Unfortunately, I was hired when the project was half way done so I was stuck with it as is but I’m thinking about the future project now.

With this project I had the quality issue because they mixed HD & SD. I didn’t catch the interlacing order until the end because I was too wrapped up with getting it done. The final discs came out looking poor. So I am wondering if as been taught downconvert the next project and edit in sd?

I have never had to deal with this mixing process I always delivered in filmed format. So I am not sure which will preserve the best quality for output