Frank Gothmann
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True, I assumed he was on a Mac anyway since he was enquiring about FCPX.
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There are no “Premiere codecs”; Premiere is codec independent. You can output Prores from Premiere, same thing as you would get from FCPX. Or you could choose any other codec that is available on your system. For Youtube or Vimeo… it doesn’t really make that much of a difference since your final result will be heavily compressed anyway.
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No re-wrapping to Prores on windows unfortunately.
As far as gamma is conerned, same as on the Mac side. Regular import = relateively slow and gamma shift (in my case length x 4). AMA, no gamma shift. Trancoding AMA file to DnxHD MXF via consolidate/trancode = very fast and NO gamma shift (in my case length x 0.8).
If you need to deliver Prores to your clients you could either encode the Dnx output on the Mac, or play-out on the AVID and capture on a Mac or Kipro or you can get Episode Engine for Windows and encode your Prores jobs on the windows side.
Yes, Engine costs a few bucks but you but you’ll easily save that money with the hardware over a relatively short period of time. -
I haven’t encountered any problems at all working with Prores in either MC 6.0 or Premiere CS5.5 on windows. Of course, it is decode only with these apps, but apart from that is really is no different at all compared to working with it on the Mac side. I export into DnxHD (or Cineform) on Windows.
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[Herb Sevush] “[John Joyce] “Where are the mavens going to come from for FCPX?”
Doesn’t Bill Davis qualify?”
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[Timothy Payton] “Think about the entire concept of interlaced SD video: in a few years there will be no such thing. And frame rates? What will it matter in a world where all video playback or broadcast is in effect a QuickTime movie playing back on a computer screen? You wanna make a 48 fps 3D movie? Knock yourself out. ;)”
Sorry, but I disagree. Even several years from now there will be a lot of interlaced SD material. Huge markets (India etc.) will take much, much longer to transition to an HD world (if that ever happens). And even then, a vast amount of programming will simply be upscaled from interlaced SD. Plus there will be interlaced HD, 24p, 23.976, 25p etc. etc.
And converting between any of them, scaling things up or down, is a complex thing and FCP (old and new), Compressor & Co. do a terrible job doing that.
Frame rate conversion, even using frame controls, are unusable for high quality work.
So instead of giving such jobs to a business with the right hardware folks will fiddle around themselves – probably to a much larger degree than they are already doing now. -
[Bill Davis] “But is that a strategy, or merely an artifact of the fact that they’re keeping their eye on the game of development, rather than wasting too time explaining themselves. “
Well, again, to each his own opinion. I think it is just bad, bad software and an arrogant attitude by the company behind it.
[Bill Davis] “I actually don’t think so in a lot of cases. In some ways I think it’s like an individual trying to be both a guitar and a banjo player. You can become “competent” at both. But to really excel, I think most musicians typically concentrate on one instrument. There are exceptions, and I suppose it’s a bit based on whether you want to see the editor as a “technician” (operating a variety of tools) or an “artist” (attempting to achieve absolute mastery of one). Both views are rational. Pick one, I guess.”
Sorry, but this is getting a bit out of hand. We are talking about a piece of software, nothing magical here, compiled by nordic, blonde virgins in the first full-moon night after an eclipse to turn it into anything other than a plain and simple software tool to get work done.
I am not aware of a single, serious posts house that doesn’t run cross platform in one way or the other. -
[Jeremy Garchow] “We have to be honest with ourselves here, Frank. This is Apple. They aren’t going to offer an unsupported piece of custom hardware and say, “you figure it out”. BluRay is available on a Mac all through third party. Apple does have limited support burning in some of the pro video software, though. “
Not true, you can read or burn bd-r right from the finder, the same way you’d burn a data dvd or cd. They just don’t support encrypted playback of movie discs but that is unrelated to the physical media as such. But Apple doesn’t like any optical media per se anymore. And if they consider it legacy it has to go. Again, I prefer to make my own decissions.
[Jeremy Garchow] “Yeah, could be. iTunes will make them exponentially more money than a BluRay burner. Yeah, they made a decision, and it was probably a good business decision. I don’t know. “
BD playback or burning data on bd-r is obviously not meant to be the exclusive alternative to the itunes store. I think you know where I am coming from. Choice, give people the freedom of choice to watch and listen to stuff they way they want to and how they want to, not exclusively the way Apple wants them to.
[Jeremy Garchow] “Again, let’s be honest. If the MacPro truly brings no money, why sell it?”
Again, brings me right back to my point regarding server hardware. More people would buy it if it wasn’t outdated and neglected. We would have bought two last month; we went with HP instead. And more of our machines will follow in the future.
The viral marketing that made Apple can also backfire. Not enough right now because our community is way to small but I am waiting to see their first big consumer product tank. One the brand isn’t cool anymore and hip crowd moves on… we’ll see.[Jeremy Garchow] “This is still Apple. It has always been this way. I don’t know why it is so surprising.”
But I am not saying it is surprising. In fact, quite the oposite. It’s Apple doing what they have always done, just in a much more severe way because they can now afford to simply piss off a group of people which, 10 years ago, made up a good portion of their customer base. The creative crow used to benefit from their ways, not they are on the dry end and it’s consumer stuff all the way. It’s been pretty clear to me since the iphone and ipad. I am just surprised people still wonder wether Apple is still interested in pro users and creating specific hard- and software for their needs.
If they (ie. us) can make it work for them, either via 3rd party or workarounds, fine, let them swim along. But it’s not conceived, designed and built for their needs. -
Blu-ray may be a “bag of hurt” with regards to licensing and implementing technology for playback of encrypted movie discs; it would be no problem whatsoever to offer burners as a bto option.
Apple just doesn’t like the technology, also because it is in competition with their itunes store, so they choose to ignore it. Again, they are making the decisions for their customers and what they have to like and want.And isn’t that also a bit the whole strategy behind the whole Mac Pro delays? “We don’t really want to drop them right here and now because people will complain, especially after the “Pro debate” (people have written about the outdated tower architecture more than one year ago, way before FCPX came out) but we really don’t like them anymore, they don’t fit our image and the markets we want to cater to so if we just wait long enough, let them sit there without updates, new technology, with performance falling behind… less and less people are going to buy a tower, some may go for an iMac or a Macbook Pro and then, when there’s really nobody buying them anymore, it makes perfect sense the drop them, announce lackluster sales, the majority will understand the reasoning and few will shed a tear”.
It’s pretty much the same thing we’ve seen in the past with the Xserve Raid, Xserves Shake etc.
When the Xserve was dropped they said “nobody’s buying them”. Does that mean nobody was/is buying server hardware anymore? Of course not. They just didn’t buy Apple’s servers. If they had been interested in those markets they would have asked why and improved their offerings. -
You mean the very same app store that removed negative reviews when the app first came out and then reset the ratings after the upgrade came out?
Not my most trusted source for how the app is doing.