Erik Lindahl
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Rendering speeds are probably the same with a color managed project, redraw performance on-screen however is literally utter crap with it turned on (on that note I still don’t get why we can’t just have nice, smooth accelerated redraws in 2010 on machines at this day an age).
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The issue with using a colorspace in AE is that it bogs down performance. I’ve also had issues with it actually introducing color shifting rather than preventing it. Do you have any good guide for setting this up properly?
Regarding your second question, yes, ticking on the Final Cut Studio compatibility in QuickTime Player 7 made things look more accurate but there was still a difference. And this only affects viewing in QT7 – not in QTX or QuickLook. The later is a PAIN that it suffers such as massive shift (where things actually look fine in FCP 7). Confusing? Not at all..
Off-topic but round-tripping ProRes 422 media in CS4 wasn’t very nice (impossible from my experience). Supposedly that’s better now but looking at the above I have my doubts.
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I followed both the CS4 and CS5 blog-entries regarding ProRes and they haven’t helped my issues sadly.
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Well this has been a source of issues before if moving between codecs and moving in and out of YUV to RGB. I get that. But staying with-in the RGB realm things should stay more consistent (if not perfect) in terms of gamma and color shift.
In the past I’ve primarily used animation based QuickTime’s for work in After Effects. Converting 10-bit video to the animation codec in FCP, rendering back to animation from AE importing to the 10-bit time-line has round-trpped perfectly. If exporting select images from these QT-file, doing retouch in PS and also importing this into AE – it’s worked perfectly. No gamma shifts, no color shifts, no “well it looks dark in AE but it ACTUALLY looks the same when it all comes out in FCP.”
The above was the case with CS3 / CS4, FCS 2 as well as MacOSX 10.4 / 10.5. Now things have changed.. Round-tripping a QT animation file in the above manner seems fine. However, grabbing an image from a QT and importing into PS I directly there get hit by a gamma shift. This I’ve seen both from SD-PAL 16×9 FHA Animation footage as well as 2K ProRes 4444 footage. Going the route QT Player > Preview > Photoshop let’s me DISREGARD the color profile and things actually look as they should in PS. Saving the edited image and importing to AE still introduces a gamma-shift and it doesn’t match the original QT at all anymore.
I’ve in the past just disregarded color profiles and kept to an RGB in / out workflow that’s worked fine. I see the shift both on my computer and video monitor (using a Kona 3 for output). For the current project setting the color profile in AE to sRGB seemed to “fix” things but I really don’t understand why I get these shifts back and forth.
I had an even odder experience this weekend posting a bunch of 2K footage (ProRes 4444). Comparing the graded footage to the posted footage out of AE they look identical in FCP but in QuickLook or QuickTime player they suffer a HUGE shift in gamma. This isn’t a huge problem but very odd and buggy in my opinion..
I’ve also encountered the interesting 1050×576 vs 1024×576 square pixel 16×9 PAL setting.. Seems QuickTime agrees with Adobe’s “new” standard now that I’ve gone to the latest and greatest in Apple-land as well. Confusing times!
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Try out Mocha for Rotoscoping. You’ll be happy when you get the hang of it. CS4 and CS5 has Mocha for AE included.
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If we do content for TV I tend to sort the “specific grade for web” when converting it for the web. This I tend to do in Epsiode and as you state to avoid the “washed-out look” I increase the gamma and saturation a bit.
If we do content specifically for the web I’ve tended to work with it as normal for TV – edit in FCP, grade in Color but when finalizing the files in AE we do a final color correction there (again, increase contrast somewhat, fiddle with the saturation).
It’s not uncommon we film on film, HD (1080p) or RED (2K in Post) so finalizing our “web-masters” in AE can be imperative as scaling down large files can introduce a lot of interesting issues with the image.
But yes, the above is an issue I’m not sure will be sorted any time soon. Apples move to 2.2 gamma has at least brought OSX and Windows more “on par” in terms of CC.
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For out-of-focus effects I’d have a look at Frischluft’s Lens Care. I wouldn’t say sorting out the animation of the given animation is THAT tricky, but as stated requires some planning and prepping. I’d recommending sorting out the “giant canvas” in AE rather than photoshop as the image to pan over from PS would be HUGE and could likely cause render-issues in a lot of apps.
Lens Care: https://www.frischluft.com/lenscare/index.php
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This is odd. From my experience AE CS5 handles re-renders / caching WAY better than CS4.
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Sad this isn’t corrected. I’ve done substantial paint / clone jobs in AE in the past and this has been a huge head-ache in the past. Given, I’ve seen similar issues in Shake it shouldn’t have to be as such.
Would be nice if the clone-tool supported rotation and scale of the clone-source and not just X Y position. Full support for tracking would be nice as well (given they’d have to redo the built-in tracker first I guess as its so unreliable).
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Erik Lindahl
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Hmm.. Reading your links I don’t really see any solutions more than the fact some people have issues with 10.6.4.. I can see anyone having my specific start-up issue either.. :-/
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Erik Lindahl
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