[Craig Alan]

[Bill Davis] “referenced media pointing to some form of integrated card clone – NEVER a finder based storage location”

Referenced media means that the media itself is not in the library which means its stored somewhere else in the finder. For that matter, the library is stored in the finder.

Not sure what you mean by “integrated” card clone. My card clone is copied by FC to a media folder that was created in FC (highlight the library and choose locations in the inspector) and referenced in the library. The only thing I am doing perhaps differently than you is I am copying the original P2 card in its original structure in the finder rather than archiving it in FC. I could open it in FC and store in the media folder and reference it in the library but then I’d need to back it up after. For me in case something goes foul during import, I’d rather back it up first in its original form.

[Bill Davis] “The other is to do both secondary and tertiary card clone backups – along with XML clones of my Libraries. “

So how do you back up the card clones? And how do you XML clone the library? For certain projects I’d like to learn this. I assume you are doing this within FC?

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[Craig Alan]

Forgive the ignorance please. If 4 k is 4 times the resolution of 1080 p why would increasing scale to over 100% be a red flag?

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[Craig Alan]

Thanks Bret. Does the trick and another good tool to help organize. Knew it was something like that. Kinda cool they added headings to a sort. What sort gets “Clips”? Can’t bring up that one. Oh well, when I get back to work the one that has that will make it obvious.

Is there anyway (now that I’ve been using the feature for 5 minutes) that I can get different events in the same library to use different sorts. On one project I’m working on, many events are of a multi-cam shoot and I like seeing them by “camera name” because I named each folder in the finder with date and camera name (angle) and it appears in the browser that way sorted by camera name. But others are single camera clips and it reverts to “no name” rather than the date created because it is sorted by camera name and there are none. I could of course add one in the camera name column.

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[Craig Alan]

Exactly what I was thinking. This is the last piece of the democratization of media. It’s not that the fat cats will go away. There will be continue to be ever evolving high end media creation. It’s just that they can’t continue to own mass distribution exclusively. Thus the battle over Net neutrality.

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[Craig Alan]

Not getting me, Bill.

Here’s one in the finder

which shows up in the event as :

The work flow on all the computers is the same. On all the computers except two which changed the behavior as of a couple weeks ago, imported media card copies were as illustrated in the OP and here, a dated ‘folder’ in the event. each new import of a new P2 card copy would have the date of the original creation. The library organization was done in FC. -media, render and backups. Something got accidentally changed or there is bug that created this new behavior. Maybe some setting in the import window that became the default for all new imports. I Don’t know, but I do like the other behavior better. Much rather import each card as a dated folder than all clips going into one long list in the event. And much prefer a date than “no data” as a folder of sorts in the event. Yes I could reorganize this content easily within FC, but that is extra time and I like the way it continues to import on all other stations.

On a side note FC imports the finder folder names and tags as keywords if you check those options. And I like having my finder folders organized as well as the FC library organization. They both work independently and have a relationship.

The purpose of my making a copy of the media card first is so I have a back up of the card outside the library in case the library gets corrupted or media gets erased either deliberately or by accident and is needed later. I copy it first because once its copied into our thunderbolt raid it then imports faster into FC. The card reader is USB 2. I also like the finder copy better than an archive because the copy is universal (I doubt panasonic will stop supporting it) and the archive may at some point not be read by another program or even an update of FC (who knows). I even find that FC reads the original card structure better than its own archive.

Anyway any thoughts on why FC may name the event folder ‘no data’ or ‘clips’ rather than by date as illustrated above? Maybe a metadata column is selected in the import or something? Also what is the container called that these clips are going into?

I can drag the clips to another event and then this container will disappear. I can’t drag the container itself so its not a traditional folder.

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[Craig Alan]

getting harder to differentiate the two. I use a 5D for stills but will be buying a rig that will help me use it for video. Also we have a 70D, which introduced a ground breaking camcorder like focus control.

But I think the cow was implying Canon EOS was for stills since you do not usually think of the auto focus as a feature for film.

Anyway that’s where I go for my canon still/video questions.

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[Craig Alan]

This is a good read for roles and workflow: https://library.creativecow.net/austin_charlie/FCPX-Timeline/1

My own thinking out loud:

I’m in the same boat, producing a project that is way more complex than I have experience with.

Here is what I have gathered:

There is no right way or one way to do this. You can assign as many keywords to clips as you like so that you can filter them according to what you need. You can create smart collections. And you can assign roles. Plenty of google hits for any of these. Once you know how to use these tools, it’s all very much up to how you work or think about your project.

Look through the metadata in list view on any given clip and decide if a piece of data would help as a keyword.

What I’m reading from editors who have been there and done that is that setting up roles correctly is a huge benefit and cannot apply to clips already on the timeline. Bill keeps pointing out that in FCP X much of editing takes place in the browser. Stay in the browser until you know your footage well and have a firm grip on where you are going with it. You can always start a timeline to see if the organization is working for you, what you find your self searching for or what gotchas start killing time. You can delete it and start again, save it, Copy it, turn it into a compound clip to be used in a new timeline, etc.

Find a completed video with an organization structure that is similar to your goal and note what are its components.

Spend some time creating as many keywords, smart collections as you can think of. Used/unused, Date, subject, shot type, POV, theme, location, intro, development, plot point, climax, review, interview, background, etc. Label also by favorite and reject. Remember you can assign a favorite and keyword to subclips. So you can go through every clip you have and start labeling its parts.

By the time you are done you’d know your footage really well and could recall any given moment by using combos of keyword filters: for example you can show only Farm-John-Intro-Interview-Favorite-Sound bite.

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[Craig Alan]

You can post one here. click the icon above the post window

then click on

then navigate to your screen capture and click choose.

then click on

then select the top image you uploaded

then copy the contents of the embed box

and paste in your message

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[Craig Alan]

You might want to post one of the Canon forums as well. Not sure which for video.

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[Craig Alan]

Well the ball must fit exactly 21 mm. So a blimp would have the advantage of fitting a variety of mikes.

Other wise no other advantage for the extra money?

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