[Craig Alan]

I think I remember now. I was using a sound track as my primary and I had connected clips below the primary and when adding or moving another connected clip another jumped on top. I decided I didn’t like using a sound track as the primary so have not done it since. Still can’t reproduce it but pretty sure it happened. When trying to reproduce it I don’t find any of the behavior strange or unexpected so I guess I’m just getting used to the workflow. Also you can set opacity in the inspector for any clip so there are other reasons to have layers of clips. I also sometimes leave clips on its own “track” when trying out others or repositioning a sequence. I know there is auditioning and so forth but its an old habit from my track based days.

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[Craig Alan]

I agree with all these thoughts. If your master (top level) folder is a collection of media to be shared across projects then library is an appropriate label. If your Master folder is a container for a single project or even a single client or even a series of related projects then Project folder is appropriate. Master folder I think would do the trick and can be labeled and used universally. Since you can label a library folder with whatever name you like and since on the finder level it is a library style container then its easy to get used to. What remains PROBLEMATIC is the use of the word ‘project’. Timeline and sequence as names for what they are are perfectly descriptive and universally understood and it’s hard to communicate without using them in their traditional way. Unlike other terms borrowed when film was the media, these work regardless of media. We can edit in non-linear ways but ultimately we produce a linear sequence and timeline describes this perfectly. If you want to keep ‘timeline’ as the name of the space/window of FC then ‘sequence’ would have been suitable as well. When all is said an done, however, you can label all these folders and subfolders as you will.
We have a bunch of panasonic P2 cameras and I love working with them. Panasonic however decided to rename their manual white balance button ATW for automatic white balance. It iS true that when you press a manual white balance button the camera does the rest for you so it is automated. But renaming a function that is universally understood is a poor decision.

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[Craig Alan]

Absolutely. Yeah I have no trouble with the concept of connected clips and vertical alignment. My memory of this is probably wrong and was just the normal repositioning of connected clips as you add them and move them around. When things get moved automatically, and you are not expecting the behavior, it jars you. Once you start adjusting to the behavior, it’s, at first, magical and then timesaving and expected. Maybe I thought a connected clip was the primary as I was experimenting with secondary storylines. Track based editing doesn’t reposition things till you do. I like tracks for that reason but mostly I do work faster now. It was a stupid post on my part, the product of exhaustion. My only comment from that day that I’d want to stand by is I do not think calling a timeline a project was a good decision given the universal usage of the word project. Anyway sorry for the stupid post. Andy’s original post was clear and helpful and it should have been left at that.

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[Craig Alan]

I just tried and I can’t reproduce it but I know that during an edit I’ve had a connected clip jump above the primary. And I’ve read other people asking what caused the behavior. But it’s kinda a worthless post if I can’t describe when it happens. I thought it was a common experience. In any case I’m going to update to mavericks, download the new version, and spend some more time with it. I do find I get projects done faster with X and I’m enjoying it.

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[Craig Alan]

[Andy Neil] “Instead of hitting IN than pressing down arrow, then left arrow (to back up one frame to the end of a clip), and then hitting O, I can do it with one key.”

You could just select the clip then scroll to where you want and set your I point.

But yeah you have good point. Though it might be nice to be able to turn off the behavior with a modifier. Though I’m sure I’d forget what it is. And since it doesn’t prevent you from hitting out before the end of the clip or after its kinda a cool feature. It’s just that auto selection takes a little getting used to. It’s just for me when I’m doing something manually I like to keep it that way.

The one thing I can’t so far get used to is clips jumping from being attached under the primary to being attached over the timeline.

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[Craig Alan]

I still find the language a bit silly.

I do not find renaming things for the sake of appearing new helpful.

A ‘project’ is what you work on. It has a lot of components, some of which may or may not be currently on the ‘timeline’ or ‘a timeline’.

An event is live and takes place at a certain place and time.

A Master folder or Project folder I think would be appropriate as the top level folder/container.

Granted that a library might be an appropriate label for a container of organized media that is used for multiple projects and/or a folder of exported media. I do understand that they got library from the finder level organization of their database as is used my mail, iphoto, contacts, etc.

However, I cannot see ‘library’ being used as a name for a video project.

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[Craig Alan]

No I got that. But it’s a common need to select a specific section of the timeline for many actions. And I O for me was always the fastest, least tedious, most accurate way of doing just that. But unless I’m misunderstanding the original question the problem is not a big deal. By default FC extends the selection to the next cut point. But if you move the playhead to a different point, before or after the cut point you can hit I or O and it will modify the selection not begin a new selection. There are times the automatic range selection saves time but I think its an unnecessary feature. you can always use the up and down arrows to move the playhead to the next or previous cut point and then hit I or O.

But if you set an I and O in the browser and then an I in the timeline then yes its disconcerting to have the O jump to the end of the selected clip. As you point out you can just use the playhead as the third point. I think an In Point is more secure and less prone to error. But not a big deal.

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[Craig Alan]

[Andy Neil] “Here’s how you perform a 3 point edit (where the third point is in the event browser):

Place and IN and OUT in your timeline.”

But that take us back to the original post: how do you control I and O if FC sets the second point automatically?

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[Craig Alan]

interesting. no more root level only. no more only one container per drive. So you have to open a library either in the finder or within FC?

One thing that bugs me about this is that media within a library is less accessible on the finder and multi-app level. For example, sometimes I just like to open a piece of media in QT or just in the finder’s preview – you know highlight it and press the space bar. Or copy a a still and open the copy in a photo app or attach it to an email. Larry Jordan suggested that although you can open a FC library’s contents, he strongly advises against it.

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[Craig Alan]

What I have now is sets of FCP project and event folders inside each sparse image with all related files for each project. I’m not using the sparse images as just containers for referenced media.

So wouldn’t using the new library system inside images work the same way? Unless FC insists on having access to any image on any connected physical drive.

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