Chris Harlan
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Nice round up!
And, I agree about Apple’s updates. They certainly should be commended for putting in the catch-up effort, but there is nothing to suggest that that speed will become the norm. The had added incentive because of all the bad PR, and I’d be surprised–though impressed–if they kept up the speed.
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You blow my mind, Bill Davis! Can you be any more deaf to what people are saying? Tommy? Can you hear me? Tommy?
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Yes! Thanks for posting! You capture what I considered to be the very best part of FCP. Premiere comes close, and Avid has a way, but none of them are quite able to do what Legacy did.
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[Bill Davis] “IMO, this entire thread is about conditioned preference.”
That’s because you are blind and unwilling to open yourself up to the possibility that different people function in different ways, in spite of fifty years of research that demonstrates that they do. And, you get mean about it.
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Also, check out these desks. I want Al Gore’s screens.
https://www.complex.com/tech/2012/06/famous-tech-ceo-desks#1
https://flavorwire.com/151458/desks-of-the-rich-and-famous-workspaces-of-highly-creative-people
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Man, I too have been on both sides of the creative bin name issue. Over the years I’ve gotten much better, but if I’m in a rush on project I’m soloing, it can still get out there. “Thursday’s stuff,” just doesn’t play well six month’s down the line.
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[Bill Davis] “‘m not sure if we’ll ever know whether or not what we’re labeling “spacial thinkers” is as useful a construct as some here appear to believe.
“Sigh. PERIOD.
Nah. It just doesn’t feel good when I do it. Maybe its a “list,” thing, though I’m not sure we’ll ever know. (Smiley icon goes here)
Lighten up. We’re not trying to define a new mental health category for the DSM VI. We’re talking about how people like to work and how they feel most comfortable doing it.
Should you want to delve into it, however, you might try Howard Gardner’s Frames of Mind: The Theory of Multiple Intelligences Of particular interest to this conversation would probably be the chapters on spatial intelligence and a mode of thinking that he identifies as bodily-kinesthetic. I’ve only read some of the abstracts and synopses; I think I’ll put this book on my reading list.
You also might take a look at this article from Psychologists Newcombe and Frik, Early Education for spatial intelligence: Why, What and How:
https://www.temple.edu/psychology/newcombe/documents/early_ed_for_spatial.pdf
if you want to go further it’s got a great list of references.
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[Bret Williams] “I also have a concert of The Grapes on New Years at the Cotton Club I shot (with GA Tech’s BetaCam no doubt) from 12/31/94.”
THAT sounds cool. Shout out when you post, will ya?
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[James Culbertson] “If you had asked me prior to this thread, I would have said that FCPX was the most visual of any NLE I have used. So, it is interesting to hear that some folks think it is less so than other editing apps.”
Visual, I think, is the wrong word. Or rather, its the wrong word once you get past color coding. The point is that some of us use spacial relationships and landmarks like color-coding to map out our thinking, or even just to think, to prioritize. The relational spacing of bins and timelines often reflect hierarchical importances, often subconscious–closer, for instance, is for more immediate use, further away or on the other monitor is not for use right now but I want it floating in my periphery vision so that it stays in the back of my mind.
In some respects, its like a crowded, semi-messy desk. People who can’t relate to them don’t understand that there is an awful lot happening on them for their owners. There are a lot of reminders and thoughts, hanging there, frozen. People who can’t relate to that see only chaos and slovenliness. They don’t see thoughts or ideas in the little piles and groupings. That’s “spatial awareness and memory recall.”
X is very orderly and very efficient. And very visually structured. You call a collection up. You use it. You dismiss it. You call another collection. It’s capable of admirably fierce organization. But you can’t leave little piles of it around, tucked in corners, stacked side by side or in rows or on top of each other. And, for a lot of people that’s just great. Clean desk, clean mind. For others, it’s empty desk, empty mind.
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[Bill Davis] “Period. “
Use that one or two more times and I think you’ll have trademarked!
[Bill Davis] “The ONLY difference between then and now is that there wasn’t a huge cadre of editors invested in NOT having to re-learn stuff.”
But see that’s just not true. A majority of the editors I know are constantly improving themselves, educating and reeducating themselves. You seem to believe, for instance, that Media Composer and Legacy are nearly the same beast, but, really, they are as far apart as Legacy and X. You have to rethink some fundamental things about NLE function, particularly if you have been primarily a mouse-driver in FCP, to go from one to the other. I think you are being truly unfair to people because they are not learning what YOU like.
[Bill Davis] “X is NOT simple software. But neither is AVID or Premier.
To judge any of them, you need to KNOW them.
“Do we? All Caps KNOW? Or, maybe just know about? You’ve got to make judgements because you can’t learn everything. Right? You looked around and said, “Okay, I get X; I like what I see; this is where I want to go.” You made a judgement not to learn or relearn Avid or Premiere. You looked at them and decided which way to go, and you can’t fault people for doing the same, just because they went in a different direction. I’m not going to sit here and donk on you for not taking 3 months to learn or brush up on your Avid skills, and tell you that you don’t have the right to say that it doesn’t appeal to you, and that you can’t make a judgement about it.
[Bill Davis] “But the whole “spacial awareness and memory recall” concept seems to me to be highly suspect.”
The feel of X was/is good for you. That’s cool. You like–heck, you LOVE (all caps love, you note?)–the textual organization and the rich searchable metadata. Having it all organized in that corner there makes sense to you. Your thought processes fit very nicely with X’s interface metaphors. But not everybody’s’ mind works the same way yours does.
[Bill Davis] “In that way X is EXACTLY like every other NLE program in existance. Those who don’t “get it” are those who don’t use it. True of AVID, and Premier, and Vegas and X in perfectly equal measure, IMO.”
Exactly. That’s what this whole thread is about. It’s not about X being better or worse. You get lists. I get “my best CUs are at the bottom left, my VO sellects are tucked behind the playback monitor, and my dialog picks are right over here.” Not better. Not worse. Different.