Chris Harlan
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[Charlie Austin] “[Chris Harlan] “Its an opinion piece. Its supposed to be biased; that’s what opinions are. ”
Agreed, though the reactions to peoples “opinions” about X (Bill, I’m looking at you!) engender similar reactions among those who disagree. (and sometimes from people who *do* agree lol) If Kevin wrote the same piece about MC or Pr, he’d get the same reaction, just from different camps. 😉
“Yes, I DO get that, and have no problem with him vigorously disagreeing with Kevin’s opinion, but dismissing an opinion as biased is a bit absurd. Its not about sides.
[Charlie Austin] “All facetiousness aside… What bugs me about Kevin’s piece is that are a few things that are just pure conjecture stated as facts:
“Fair enough.
[Charlie Austin] “But really, a lot of those big Post facilities never switched to FCP Classic either, at least places that finish stuff. “
By 2009, I don’t know of any Post facility in LA that didn’t offer FCP. And a lot of promo companies were using it exclusively, or at least seriously. Will it be the same with X by 2018? Maybe.
[Charlie Austin] “At the end of the day, there is one reason that FCP7 became FCPX. Apple doesn’t care about editors and editing. They care about phone sales.
Right. That’s why they spent a not insignificant amour of time and money to create an entirely new Mac Pro. to sell phones.
“There are a lot of reasons that Apple may have created a new Mac Pro that have little or nothing to do with what they think of or care about video editors. And, of course, some that say they do. I’m not sure which I believe. What we can agree on, though, is that the new Mac Pros will make up only a very tiny sliver of Apple’s earnings next year, and that phone sales will preoccupy the company.
[Charlie Austin] “In FCP’s heyday, MC facilities were switching their facilities over to FCP, and it had Avid (and Adobe for that matter) reeling! Today, no post facility using Media Composer has said “The features in FCPX completely blow away what’s in MC right now, we must switch all of our edit stations over!”
They never said that in FCP’s “heyday” either. They said, “well, it can do most of what we need, but more importantly, look how cheap it is! We’ll take it!”
“I disagree. There was a two/three year stretch–say 2006-2009–where the features of FCP beat the crud out of the decaying Media Composer 2.8. There were so many things I could do on FCP that just could not be done on an Avid, and a lot of people were noticing. You couldn’t even reposition an HD frame in an SD timeline. “Center cut” was the only option. Avid’s own forums were full of long-term editors bemoaning how far behind Media Composer had fallen behind. That’s when FCP actually began to surge. So, yes, I saw some of what Kevin is talking about.
[Charlie Austin] “Complete agreement there, especially for freelancers.
as the day is coming where Apple could very will just flip the switch, and leave everyone in the dark.
The day is coming when Avid could very well go out of business. The day is coming when Adobe isn’t making money and could very well EOL their Video apps. The end is near!
“Quite true. Any one of these puppies could easily fly away.
[Charlie Austin] “Eventually, some “name” editor will cut a “Hollywood Feature” on X. Then we get to listen to people’s opinions as to why that doesn’t matter. I can’t wait! 🙂
“I not quite ready to replace “probably” with “eventually,” but yes. I’m looking forward to the coming release. I’m very curious about what’s there.
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[Ty Vann] “The guy who wrote that obviously doesn’t like and use FCPX, but it’s no excuse for such a misinformed and biased piece.”
Exactly how is it misinformed? I don’t see it.
And biased? Its an opinion piece. Its supposed to be biased; that’s what opinions are. I’m guessing you only think its misinformed and biased because you don’t like his opinion, which you are, of course, welcome not to like, but I have to tell you:
Kevin Mcauliffe (“The guy”) has been around a long time, offering a lot of insight (and free tutorials) about his NLE experience, so his opinion interests me quite a bit more than your vague dismissal. Now if you can point out exactly where he is misinformed, I might be interested in listening.
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[Oliver Peters] “Match-frame is a joke, because you cannot match to any clip where you have detached audio. “
Seriously?!
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[Bill Davis] “Really, I’m not saying it’s ideal, just wondering what it needs to do that it doesn’t do?
“From what I see, it comes down to two primary features that make X excel at other things.
First, its timeline does not present as a good a map of the project as other NLEs. The timeline stores layers of material, both audio and visual, related to each shot in an easily indexable, understandable way–a way that is highly visual to everyone working on that area of project. It functions not only as a timeline, but also as a chart or map to the project. The fluidity with which X is able to move chunks of material is gained by sacrificing elements of this chart/map aspect.
Second, while the metadata indexing elements of X are terrific, there is a point–especially with shared media–where traditional binning is preferable for organization and control. Dividing up bins to share work–for both security and clarity–is, from the perspective of the project, arbitrary. The metadata does not need to know that Bob has access to this but not to that, and that Sally can see all of those clips but not alter them, and that this section of the timeline is temporarily being removed to another machine. Traditional binning becomes a manageable record of those things, especially when you are assigning temporary attributes that might be reversed the very next week or day.
Now, there may be a time when metadata usage and coordination is so slick that both of the above situations can be better managed by something like X–where updated metadata can be externally charted and permissions can be granted with the granularity of something like Active Directory, but were not there yet. Personally I would find that very exciting–to have an editing tool as agile as X that was also able to create complex charting and gatekeeping, and I think that’s where we are going, whether with X or something else.
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[Bill Davis] “Nope. Unless it was a literal typo, I’ve never, ever done that.”
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but:
“OK, here you go. Both AVOID and PPro can’t “satisfy” my now required “deliverable” of a NLE that leaves your work connected to an on-line output file so I don’t have to waste endless time doing “work-arounds” in order to refresh a public copy of a newly produced video directly from the NLE ”
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/57447
I can’t see how that’s a typo, but I’ll grant that that might be a Freudian slip.
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[Oliver Peters] “[Braden Storrs] “I just don’t see why they would build an organizational footage network in FCP X and then render it more or less useless (except to use it as an external reference) by editing in Avid.”
Two different departments. Happens all the times. I see plenty of broadcast operations with Avid for news and FCP/Premiere/Other for creative services/promos.
“Yes. I’ll second that. Trailers, promos, epks and sizzles come from completely different departments, and often, different companies within larger companies.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “(what was that just there – james cagney?)
“Full on grapefruit in the face to all non-Xers.
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[Oliver Peters] “He exports a self-contained file and places it on an upper track. This becomes less taxing on playback. Then when he makes changes, he break open that section and makes changes in that area. What it effectively gives you is a visual plot that represents a type of “visual change list”.”
I used to do that all the time.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Life. Live it!”
I was thinking:
Sex. Have it.
But, the way this weekend is shaping up, that’s not happening.
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[Bill Davis] “As rabid a supporter of X as I’ve been here, you’ve NEVER heard voices here being extremely derisive about anyone using AVID or Premier or Vegas. Occasional bad experiences, sure. But not push back when somebody likes those, right?”
Weren’t you quite recently referring to Avid as AVOID. I believe, if memory serves well, that you were. Maybe you should think of taking the ALLCaps off of never.