Chris Harlan
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I’m continuing to work with FCP 7, and see myself doing so for at least another year. I AM working Media Composer back into my workflow–right now I’m using it for Select Reels and rough edits to get my fingers back–while still finishing on FCP 7. With MC 6–and its enhanced ability to work with ProRes (the majority of projects I currently work on come to me in ProRes)–I’ll probably take it further and begin finishing the odd project with it in late Winter or early Spring. This will give both me and the version a chance to work bugs out. My guess is that it will be about 3 years before FCS 3 is pretty much gone from the Hollywood scene, give or take.
I’m enjoying some of the new MC features (on 5.5; I’m downloading 6 as I type) and am happy to be back with a few of the old. I love the K/L, K/J key combos, for instance, and have never quite understood why FCP didn’t incorporate that into its JKL setup. Other things still seem a little kludgy to me, but I expect I will just get use to that. And 6, on paper, looks like it will handle some of that.
I WILL miss the broad freedom of the FCP interface. Anywhere I go from there, frankly, isn’t quite as nice.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “But then you have to fix it and almost reposition everything.
With Roles, you simply select what you want and reassign it. You don’t have to move anything.
I see what you’re saying, but there’s two sides to this coin.
“I’m not trying to argue against Roles, here. You know my qualms about visual representation, and you have suggested a variety of ways that my concerns could be ameliorated in future versions. If stuff like that happens, I might even like Roles. I’m just reminding folks that Roles isn’t de facto faster–that work still needs to be done to use it. In a traditional timeline, if you start out by putting things in the proper track as you place them on the timeline, you don’t need to worry about reassigning them later.
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[Andy Neil] “[David Lawrence] “You mean the part called “editing”?”
Please. If that were called ‘editing’, then I wouldn’t have to clean up 70 percent of the sequences I get handed on a weekly basis. 🙂
Andy
“So, there are sloppy editors. You think they are going to be any better with Roles? At least with tracks, you can see what is in the wrong place.
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[Bill Davis] “Unless the significant break from the “traditional and incremental” evolution of the NLE that FCP-X represents isn’t actually the important point in and of itself”
I don’t think there is anything significant about. NLEs have not be around long enough to have an evolution that is “traditional and incremental.”
[Bill Davis] “- but rather a sign of something more fundamental happening in how content may need to be created in the future.”
In the scheme of things it is just not that important an event. I mean, really–we are just talking about a tool to cut video with. X might be faster for some people, and slower for others. I know that you are hung up on its database as id it were one of the monoliths from 2001, but really, it ain’t magic.
[Bill Davis] “But there’s no way to tell early in the transformation. We’ll only know looking back in a decade or so.
“You know what, when the first NLE rolled out it was immediately clear where the future was. You didn’t need a decade to figure out that it was revolutionary. All that took was a split second.
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[Andy Neil] “I’m saying that BOTH programs force you to work within the rules they are designed around”
Yeah, and both the old Soviet Union and Costa Rica forced you to work within the rules they are designed around, as well.
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[Bill Davis] “Chris,
X can do that. Since a gap clip is a “thing” rather than “nothing” the database recognizes the entity and can manage it.
Simple as that.
“And in FCP slug is a “thing” rather than “nothing” the program recognizes the entity and can assign filters to it, rename it, etc. Your weird argument about spitting out aggregate length is sophistry, and nothing more. Why, exactly, would someone want to do that?
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[Herb Sevush] “Large general purpose post houses have been dying off for over ten years. This does not mean the post industry isn’t healthy.”
Agreed. The revolution was a little more than a decade ago with the advent of competitive online NLEs. To compare the release of X to that is absurd.
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[Andy Neil] “[Chris Harlan] “I think you are brazenly wrong here. The actual joy of FCP is/was that it allowed you to pursue any number of editing paradigms at pretty much any given time.”
I’m sorry Chris. Perhaps you don’t see my point. I’ll try again with an example. Let’s say your workflow in Avid MC is to pull sequences into the source monitor and cut complex edits into another sequence. How would you do the exact same workflow in FCP? You can’t because while you can load a sequence into the viewer in FCP, when you edit it into another sequence, you’re left with a nest, not the individual clips from the source sequence.
“I did understand, Andy, and I think Oliver does a fine job of reinforcing my point about FCP’s flexibility in the adjacent post, so I won’t reiterate.
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[David Roth Weiss] “Had Apple simultaneously released FCPX and the fully functional 64-bit FCS 4 most were expecting, how many of you would be paying attention to this forum?
“This forum would still be called FCP X. I’d be checking in occasionally to see what was what with the interesting, kind of cool, odd-ball editor that Apple introduced alongside my tools. I’d be buying either a new Mac Pro or Mac Book Pro this year, and generally cruising in the same direction I’ve been going in for much of the last decade.
What I’d be missing is all the fun discussions, and some of the interesting minds here, and I wouldn’t be as vigorously re-uping with Avid, which in truth, I should have been doing anyway. I’d still trade that for a properly functioning FCP 8, but it hasn’t been a total loss.
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[Bill Davis] “[Chris Harlan] ”
That’s what slug is for.
”There was a “locate slugs and output their aggregate time” in Legacy?
I never found THAT. Man that would have been useful.
“Bill, I’m sorry. I haven’t a clue what you are talking about. A beat ago you were simply talking about assigning attributes. Where did “locate slugs and output their aggregate time” come from? Is that just out of the blue? Or did I miss a post? And why on earth would any one want to do that as some sort of automated routine?