Chris Harlan
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I’m not angry. I’m just curious as to how the waveforms in 7 are so much better that it negates all that is good in FCPX. It doesn’t seem to add up for me.
“It doesn’t. Not at all. Its just a weak link. Lack of a mixer is a far weaker link. Neither undermine, in my estimation, the dramatic advances in other areas of audio.
[Jeremy Garchow] “When I add a compressor or limiter in X, i can see what’s happening. I find that to be more useful than FCP7s waveforms which are not active.”
Yes. Plugin implementation in 7 is/was crap. I could comfortably use pitch shift as well EQ, but almost any other audio program is preferable. Generally if I have to do anything other than a change in pitch or an easy blocking of certain frequencies, I export and work on it in Logic or ProTools or STpro.
So, yes; three steps forward, one step back. No argument that it is moving forward.
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Cool! I’m sure if you ever have a moment, we’d all love to hear more about it. Me, I’m very irresponsibly procrastinating today. I will pay for it this weekend.
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[Charlie Austin] “[Aindreas Gallagher] “the bile bit is quoting austin’s passive agressive bon mot below.”
No, I really did just think it was a funny line. I apologize if it came across as an insult or something, that was not my intent. And I do agree that X’s waveforms are not as detailed and useful for some tasks. I disagree with the way worse characterization though. Actively. 😉
“I’ll go with that too. They’re not a deal breaker for me. I just don’t like the implementation.
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[Charlie Austin] “[Chris Harlan] “[Charlie Austin] “Leaving aside whether the waveforms contain enough information for a true audiophile… ”
C’mon, man. Don’t go there. I’ve got too much respect for you. Just because you don’t use or see something in a certain way doesn’t mean that other people don’t find value in it. You were an audio editor, right? Didn’t you ever ask yourself why waves are shaped the way they are or what they could mean? Didn’t you develop some sort of understanding of the visual representation that is broken by only showing the outgoing portion of the wave?
”Oh, for sure… It wasn’t meant as a dig, and I was kind of including myself in there, though it probably wasn’t clear. I guess my point is that the majority of people who use NLE’s don’t really need to know about that stuff. Most don’t know about that stuff. Maybe they should, but the reality is lots of editors don’t even know how to mix, let alone analyze waveforms. That’s what post facilities are for. 🙂 I just don’t think it’s that big of a deal. A very subjective opinion… ;-)”
Okay. Yeah. I agree completely. Sorry for the knee-jerk reaction. As to audio post, I generally prefer what I do to what I get back because I’ve been building it as I go. And while having a second ear is always a good thing, that 2nd ear generally comes out of my pocket, so I do pay careful attention to my mix.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “If you are having DC Offset issues in 7, how do you know when it’s fixed? Guess and render send it to an updatable waveform that will redraw the proper fix?
“I wouldn’t correct it there. I could just see it.
But this all getting out of hand. And people are getting angry at each other over their personal preferences. So I think maybe its time for me to just butt out.
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[Charlie Austin] “Leaving aside whether the waveforms contain enough information for a true audiophile… “
C’mon, man. Don’t go there. I’ve got too much respect for you. Just because you don’t use or see something in a certain way doesn’t mean that other people don’t find value in it. You were an audio editor, right? Didn’t you ever ask yourself why waves are shaped the way they are or what they could mean? Didn’t you develop some sort of understanding of the visual representation that is broken by only showing the outgoing portion of the wave?
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Everything you say, yes. There is no right or wrong to where you are and what you need or want. Its personal taste and specific jobs. We agree. For me, I can live with the waveforms, but don’t like them, want a mixer over universal plugins (but would much prefer both) and would very much like to be able to use a controller. I think it was FCP6 that added it, and it was great. It’s not that I don’t do a lot–even most–of my audio with a mouse, but taking a run at a mix with a controller to get everything just about right, and to better understand the mix, is worthwhile. I do wonder whether a controller is now more difficult to implement with X’s underlying structure.
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[craig slattery] “I have no interest in becoming a sound engineer, I really can’t understand the gripes.”
LOL. The fact that you can’t understand other people’s gripes doesn’t mean that there not legitimate; it simply means that you have no interest in doing so. And that you are being a wee bit condescending about it.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I will not pretend to be an audio expert. For the most part, I send my audio out to be cleaned by a professional
That being said, audio tools in FCPX are vastly superior to fcp7, waveforms or not.
I would rather have the better tools than the better waveforms.
“That’s okay. Different strokes for different folks. I agree that SOME of the tools in X are superior in 7. The additions of a valid mixer and a standardized controller interface might convince me that MOST of the tools are superior. Of course, Premiere is currently lacking a controller, as well. So X isn’t alone in that.
And, not that you want or care to, but you don’t need to be an “audio expert” to get a little more than you currently are out of looking at waveforms. You certainly don’t have to–a lot of people don’t–but hopefully you won’t begrudge people who do.
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Glad you sent this. I was just in X poking around thinking I was going mad for not seeing what you were talking about. Yes, this view does give you an easier way of judging where the wave passes the baseline, but no asymmetry info. This definitely would not keep me from using X–there are plenty of interesting audio additions–but, for me, the waveform drawings are sup par. I get that it was a valid choice they made–space and mobility over info that only a few people use–but I’m with Aindreas that the waveforms are lacking, though perhaps I disagree that they are a harbinger of the Apocalypse.