Chris Harlan
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[Lemur Hayop] “I don’t want to dissect everything to figure out why a fussy Adobe app constantly bombs on me. just move on…..”
The app works fine for me. Fussy is certainly not how I would describe it. Its fine if you are not interested in its features, but to be so publicly dismissive of it without bothering to diagnose the issues, seems to me a bit sloppy. Don’t use the software if your not interested in it, but don’t dis it simply because you can’t be bothered to make it work.
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[Steve Connor] “like other NLE Companies they still play their cards close to their chest when it comes to fixes and when features will be available.”
True, as well. I think the issue exists in people’s minds, not because other companies don’t keep secrets, but because Apple made such a hard left with X.
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[Steve Connor] “[Dennis Radeke] “As it is, we are public about saying that Adobe is on a yearly release cycle. Of all the major NLE vendors I think most people would agree that Apple does not win the blue ribbon for best communication historically. I can’t say it any more politely than that! ;-)”
True, but what I’m saying is that in reality Adobe aren’t actually TELLING us anything beyond the fact that you are listening and that you know the areas that need to be addressed, even if some of them have been problems for considerably more than one release cycle.
“I’m not sure this is a fair cop. Adobe has been pretty good about demonstrating what their thoughts are down the road. And the amount of support material they make available is almost overwhelming. From my perspective, Adobe is the absolute front runner in terms of trying to build a lasting relationship with the creative community.
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[Dennis Radeke] “Well, like most things Bret, it’s a matter of perspective. And my saying that ‘every NLE does a few things better than the rest’ can hold true in the area of audio for Premiere Pro as well.
Premiere Pro has had sample accurate audio editing since forever. It also has had sub-mixing buses, something that many legacy users had wanted. VST plugin support, inserts AND sends. Touch and Latch automation and probably a few more things as well. Do some other NLE’s have a limited number of tracks you can use? really? Not Premiere Pro.
Shane’s primary beef (I think) with Premiere Pro is that the audio mixer is track based rather than clip based. If you’re a musician and you use a DAW, you’re expecting a track based mixer. That said, you can do clip based audio mixing adjustments, they’re just not quite as handy as users would like.
Point is, there’s a diversity of users and even more opinions about audio. Avid, Apple and Adobe all have strengths and weaknesses as each solution tries to address as many types of users as possible.
Can we make some aspects of audio handling, mixing and the like better? Definitely. We’ll keep on working on audio just like we’re working on improving all of our products.
“I have to second this. The overall quality of Premiere’s audio is fantastic. I can’t speak to improvements, since I’ve only just started paying attention to it in its current incarnation. It is a terrific package. It provides the best mixer, by far. To my mind, though its implementation misses a few things I like, it is the best audio package I’ve seen on an NLE (with the possible exception of Vegas, which I have not used in years, but started as a DAW.)
What I’d like to see most in its next implementation is Control Surface support, using a generic controller. But I’m very impressed with it as it is.
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[Herb Sevush] “I got that, but the mix level of the drums was so consistent throughout that I have to figure he was adding his own drum mix on top. Either that or every pop producer is now mixing their drums at the same level. Whichever, it was very well done.
“Ah. These days, a lot of pop music is highly compressed to bring everything right up to the threshold. If you look at the waveforms for many modern songs they look like straight lines that just about kiss zero. That probably accounts for the consistency you are noticing. I don’t hear an added percussion track, but I do hear time-shifting to keep the rhythm relatively regular.
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[Steve Connor] “[Herb Sevush] “Clearly the most impressive thing is the music editing. Listening to the video I can only draw one of two conclusions – either a) he overlaid his own rhythm track to unify the sound or b) modern pop music is even more homogeneous than I ever imagined.
”Probably a) but it seems like b)
“There’s a lot of added Auto-Tune, pitch-shifting and time remapping. In fact, you can hear Auto-Tune on Auto-Tune. I run/workout to some of the Usher tracks and they are clearly shifted. “Call Me” is in a slightly different pitch, too. And I believe a different speed. I can’t tell if its all Antares, or some other Vocoder and/or mixed with the kind of pitch and timing shifting that programs like Acid offer.
Fun stuff. I once did an International Trailer for a John Denver bio pick. I used Acid to subtly re pitch and retime about ten of his songs so that the score was wall-to-wall Denver, and that one phrase would blend into the other seamlessly. Its a joy to do. Of course, that was well over a decade ago, so if I heard it now I might throw up.
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Duck season. BAM.
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Rabbit season.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “These aren’t the droids you’re looking for.”
These are not the droids I’m looking for.
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Guess I’ll throw my 2 cents as well. I’m enjoying it quite a bit. I know stalwarts don’t like the Smart Tools, but I’m very thankful for their addition. The improvements have been terrific. I love the ability to open other bins. I’m quite happy working on it right now. So, a big “me too.”