[Charlie Austin]

[Michael Hadley] “That said, I think the FX folks would do themselves a favor by not loading a jillion effects as the default but giving the user the option in the first place.”

Agreed. It’s not inherently a bad app, but the default should be to *not* load all the trial stuff…

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[Charlie Austin]

[Michael Hadley] ” I really don’t like the way FX Factory pre-installs a jillion demo effects, which I never purchase and just clutter my effects browser. I wonder if I can just delete them?”

You can delete them I believe, but it’s not terribly intuitive. I won’t install FX Factory for just that reason though. Not on X, not on 7. It’s a shame, because I would buy a few plugins they represent, but all the ezra stuff that gets installed isn’t worth it. I can’t afford the chance that some random demo plugin will bring down my NLE, nor do I wan’t all the clutter, even though i can”manage” it. I get it, it’s really a rights management app, which is fine.

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[Charlie Austin]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “Why learn quite non-standard, one off organisational editing software that has no professional benefit? that no houses are using and no jobs are posted for?”

I’m not sure why I bother, I guess I like a challenge but…

You’re probably correct when you say no houses are using it and no jobs are posted for it right now. But, and I can’t speak for London here, there are people using it here in LA. Maybe not a lot, but they’re getting paid to use it. I’m pretty confident that we’ll all be using it where I work sooner or later. And I know we’re not the only folks dipping our toes in it. So, eventually, there will be jobs calling for it. Maybe not at the “big” houses for now, but it’s gonna happen. Mark my words. Please. Copy this and tuck it away for… let’s say a year.

Anyway… A clever freelancer who knows a variety of NLE’s might also want to become proficient in X because, since everyone hates it so much and won’t learn it, that clever editor would have whatever jobs pop up all to themselves. Just saying…

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[Charlie Austin]

[Herb Sevush] “The past as prologue has many variations, we only know which one fits after the future becomes the past.”

Heavy… 🙂 But you’re right for sure. And I’m not putting all my eggs in one basket by any means. Apple have said they have a 10 year plan for X and i’ve got no reason not to believe them, so I’m giving it a shot. Maybe that plan doesn’t include adding or beefing up professional features, but so far it seems like it does. I guess we’ll find out at some point. :shrug:

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[Charlie Austin]

[Gary Huff] “[Charlie Austin] “Fair enough. How about *I* get paid to cut in X. :-)”

How about, “I get paid to cut…I choose to do it in X”?”

six of one… etc. If the point you’re trying to make is that there are limited freelance gigs that call for X, then perhaps you’re right. All I’m saying is that, for me, X is faster, easier to organize and find material, and honestly more fun to work with. I find the trackless timeline, imperfect as it is, much quicker to cut in. I’m really not trying to change anyone’s mind. The only reason I started posting here was to point out that X is a perfectly viable NLE for professionals to use. I did the same thing when FCP 1 came out, but there weren’t any blogs like this to post on, so I just started using it. After a while, so did everyone else. 😉

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[Charlie Austin]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “[Charlie Austin] “tracks are annoying. To me. When I’m cutting”

mmm. I see. A commonly held view amongst editors there. But do enjoy FCPX 🙂

Gosh Aindreas, thanks for your sincere good wishes. I do enjoy it!

[Aindreas Gallagher] [Charlie Austin] “I need to be able quickly “mix” as i go along with a keystroke. Not grabbing keyframes”

because keyframes are hard. I find they give very exact control to the roll off coming off b-roll into an IV – I don’t understand how people can just go with dissolves.
I’m always using three keyframes at the break to bring the track down and then give it a long roll off into underscore. Dissolves don’t do it for me – never have.

I’m talking about keyframes in the sense of needing to carefully grab a little volume adjuster in the clip and drag it, or open another tab, or click on a fader every time I want to change it’s overall level. I use keyframes if I need to, as in your second case above, but not to raise or lower an entire clips level. Also, fade handles in X are way faster than keyframes for the first case you describe.

[Aindreas Gallagher] [Charlie Austin] “Meh. There are plenty of people getting paid to cut in X.”
No Charles, there really aren’t.”

OK, I qualified that. *I* get paid to cut in X. And 7. and potentially MC and/or Pr. I prefer X, and for the most part have the luxury of not having the tools I use chosen for me.

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[Charlie Austin]

[Gary Huff] “And they are specifically asking you to cut in X, or just paying you to cut and don’t care what you use? I think it’s slightly disingenuous to be referring to the latter.”

Fair enough. How about *I* get paid to cut in X. 🙂

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[Charlie Austin]

[Marcus Moore] “I’m trying to imagine how a scrubbable filmstrip would do anything but slow things down.

Right now there’s no clicking involved in putting material in the event viewer- just scrub over your Event clips. You’d have to double-click a clip to have it “stick” in the Event viewer, which takes us back to the FCP7 paradigm. There may be a compromise but I don’t see it.”

Yeah, that’s true… But if you highlight an event clip anyway to skim it, perhaps you’d get a little skim strip at the bottom of the event viewer if you choose to use it. Personally I don’t, but when I have it seemed like you should be able to skim it somehow. I dunno.

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[Charlie Austin]

[Erik Lindahl] ” something similar like “lane grouping” is needed. Timelines very easily become a mess with the current setup since you have little or no control over your vertical layout.

I’d call it dynamic tracks or what not. Tracks 2.0.

And I’d love to see the event viewer become a real secondary viewer. It’s a little crippled in it’s current form.”

I’m a big proponent of not having fixed tracks. I love not patching or worrying about collisions/accidental overwriting etc. But I think role grouping and hopefully color coding is needed. cutting a music clip at the bottom of the timeline and having half of it pop to the top because the space is open is kind of silly. Let’s hope they’re working on that.

And having the event viewer at least contain a scrubbable filmstrip or something would be nice.

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[Charlie Austin]

[Aindreas Gallagher] “[Charlie Austin] “But man, I started cutting a spot in Pr the other day and It was driving me crazy”

what was the spot? I’m surprised to hear you casually recall bashing out paying jobs in PPro only days ago – you generally refer exclusively to X.
Not calling wolf or anything just wondering 🙂

Uh… sounds like calling wolf to me. Shall I list all the gigs I’ve cut in X and finished broadcast/theatrical projects for? lol
I refer to X hereabouts because it’s an X forum. I’ve got a staff gig. Everyone here is still on 7, so when I’m on a project where I need to (easily) play nice with others, I cut in 7. When I’m on a “solo” gig, i cut in X. And lately I figured I’d dive into MC and Pr because, uh… I can. 🙂 I dove out of Pr and back to 7 on this last one because of the stuff I mentioned below.

[Aindreas Gallagher] … yes indeed Charles that is the common knowledge drum to beat on PPRo, even if one were to have just read about it and then regurgitate it
– I’m going to be honest, it hasn’t tripped me up yet.
….again this feels like copypasta to me – I’ll tell you what PPro has Charlie – tracks – they are amazing.
It’s just the best thing.

No, tracks are annoying. To me. When I’m cutting.

So, it’s not copy paste/regurgitation. Sorry. It is my opinion though. It was slowing me down to the point of madness, so I popped back into 7 (because i needed to share the project with others here) to finish it up.

I’m not saying Pr sucks, it doesn’t. The timeline functions are similar to 7, but it’s not the same as 7. At all. I need to be able quickly “mix” as i go along with a keystroke. Not grabbing keyframes or going to some random tab. Neither Pr or MC let me do that. 7 and X do. I’ll keyframe stuff for “fine tuning” but not while I’m trying to crank something out. It’s my style. Obviously others work differently.

[Charlie Austin] “The beauty of FCP “classic” is that you can do stuff in the timeline really easily. No opening tabs/bins/mixers whatever. And the same is true of X.”

[Aindreas Gallagher] yes, I really do love working with audio in X, so.. as much as you are of course knee deep with audio in PPro – how about say breaking out the audio in X, and finding those lovely sync indicators? – because that leads to fun.

I always break out audio in X. It’s not hard to stay in sync if you know what you’re doing.

[Aindreas Gallagher] Also – how is Magic Bullet working for you? for the last month or two?

Because I use MB all the time.

Don’t use it. Dunno if this can be totally blamed on X or the OS, but it sucks for those who do.

[Charlie Austin] “But once you get used to the timeline, (and I don’t mean that in a bad way)”

[Aindreas Gallagher] there is no bad way – its a ridiculous timeline Charlie. Every single second of the day, it makes FCPX even more of a white elephant than it has been in paid editing for the last coming on two years.

that is an empirically observable truth Charlie – because. there. are. no. jobs.

sincerely tho – enjoy it all will 🙂 – please consider a personal hobbyist pursuit.
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Meh. There are plenty of people getting paid to cut in X. When I use it, I get paid. 🙂 honestly, the same was true for FCP classic. Keep banging the drum though. 🙂

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