Bryson Jones
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Can I ask if you are on a server version of CatDV? Also, do you have the Worker?
In server, you can create fields that are non-editable. Also, with Worker, you could take the clip ID and automatically add it to a “user” clip ID (ideally maybe adding the name or other info, if needed) which would be locked from “regular” users.
Hope this helps.
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Variable Expansion – in subclip names. hmm…
From this forum to Rolf’s ears. 😉
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Keith, how big are you talking about?
We’ve got verbatim transcriptions in all of our reality shows in the Notes field and haven’t noticed a slowdown with 1600 hours plus of footage in the database.
Are you working tapeless or tape based? I only ask because in tape we tend to get TC breaks which let us have smaller clip sizes. I could see where a 1 hour or longer clip could get a huge transcription, but we do long interviews (half hour plus) all the time.
You can of course move data around between fields but that’s not automatic.
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Yeah, it’s tough.
You gotta know that the FCP workflow is maybe the best. CatDV can take it from there.
Know that the AVCHD can actually come out differently depending on what you use to unwrap it. By this I mean, that clipwrap, Voltaic, and Final Cut Pro can actually report different clip lengths depending on how they handle clip spanning in the files.
Be careful of that. Sadly, the way we handle it is to back up the AVCHD and just put it away. The new format, pro res or DVCProHD depending on your workflow and camera, becomes the new “master” and you go forward from there.
The answer for most of my clients is just bigger storage and leave the mts files behind. We did a reality show last year for CMT and this was the way. 20TB and we didn’t really have to worry about the original shoot format.
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Are you using the Server, or Standalone?
If you’re in Server, you have a Recycle Bin that holds all the clips from that catalog.
If you’re standalone, I’m afraid a backup is your only recourse.
For folks working on standalone catalogs I tend to try to get them to either run a backup of their catalogs several times a day, or to keep a copy of the original catalog in a safe place before they release it to users.
Also, if you have untrained or careless users, (the technical term for that is “Producer”) you might consider only giving them read access to the catalog folder on the server if they are only viewing clips.
Can you let us know which version you are on?
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Just a thought, but have you tried combining the variables to get the path and filename?
I suspect that your shell connection may not be resolving the full path correctly. (meaning going back to root/Volumes may be throwing it off.)
I know that it should be able to work from the full path, but since it’s not, can you see if perhaps you have a root directory set that it’s working from? It may also be that the ftp won’t create the “/Volumes/” part of the destination. I’m not sure, but I do have an idea to give you what you’re showing as your working path. See what you think of the following.
/Volumes/Fish/Til/4_stj_reise/Til_lyd/TEST_output/TEST11.mov is the full path, but I see that,
4_stj_reise/Til_lyd/TEST_output/TEST11.mov seems to work. If I’m reading this correctly , this means that you are using the “grandparent” folder (third folder up) to correctly start your path. If so, then you are in luck. In the next release $R will give you the grandparent path, and so $R$f will give you the correct path for your ftp command.
Would this help you?
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Rolf, could this be done in Worker with some expression magic? Seems like this could be scripted.
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Well, actually one other way to do it is to bulk import it all and then filter by date etc and then pull those clips into catalogs. That would let you quickly gather things into some semblance of order.
Docs are hard, but they can be wrangled. We pulled Fuel into shape. (shameless Sundance Winner name drop there) and they had 18TB of DV and HD shot over 10 years. It took some doing but they are now able to use that footage as needed for TV and future doc projects. Kinda neat.
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Man, most folks who are tape based are organizing by tape. That just seems to make things easier to track since it’s the traditional “container”.
Small shoots like commercials and music videos sometimes go by project or by day.
You will find that as you have metadata in the server, the need for the “catalog” goes away. It’s much faster to query or group by a container field and just get your clips that way. But this means that you need to plan your metadata well.
Note that I’m talking about large bulk tagged groups, not “logging” which may never be done. Find all the footage by day or something and then add the 2-3 fields you need to group them and move on.
As to catalog size, I’ve had clients have a 1,000 item master catalog that they use daily but it’s slow to load and not a great experience. They’ve since moved on to catalogs by project so the item count is much smaller.
To be clear, they used to have a catalog of “masters” that was every master they had ever created. 1,000 items or so. Now, they have a field to tag something a “master” then they have a content category, (surf, skate, snow, etc…) and so they can now have saved queries for “master + snow” and quickly get a small list of the snow titles instead of starting from the 1,000 and narrowing that down.
My reality guys are all tape based to start so they tend to use the tape or “reel number” in tapeless workflows to define the catalog. They end up with 1 to 20 clips per catalog and then gather/query by shoot day to find what they are looking for.
Let me know if you have other questions!
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Hey there, depending on how you lay out the catalogs, you should be fine up into the millions of records. I have a client nearing 100,000 clips and the really big boys roll into the millions.
As to the web server, there are 2 licenses. 1 – the HTML Publisher allows you to publish your catalogs out to the web, non interactively. You can choose which catalogs or clips to share but the web users can’t edit them.
The other option (2) is the Web Client which provides the interactive web client where users can edit and add metadata to catalogs and clips.
Neither is bundled with a server license, although your demo might have HTML Publisher enabled. The HTML Publisher works with jsp so it’s pretty customizable. The Web Client can only be customized by Squarebox as of right now.
There’s a lot of folks excited about the Web Client, but there’s a ton you can do with the HTML Publisher, depending on what you need to set up.
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